Wednesday, July 25, 2007

Just like magic – new Harry Potter in Polish!


Just days after the release of the latest (and final) part of the J.K. Rowling’s Harry Potter series, four chapters of the novel have already been translated into Polish and put on the internet.

Of course, the owner of the rights of the Polish version of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Media Rodzina in Poznan – not to mention the highly regarded translator of all the previous books, Andrzej Polkowski – are a little upset.

The planned publishing date for the Polish version is scheduled for January 27, 2008.

This is not that unusual, however. A version in Spanish of the fifth book, Harry Potter and Order of the Phoenix, appeared in Venezuela soon after the original English publication was released. Not surprisingly, the instant pirated version was not very good. Apparently it included passages which, as the plot built up the tension, lamely concluded: “Here comes something that I'm unable to translate, sorry,"

But Venezuelan president, Hugo Chavez, seems to be a Potter fan. Two people connected with the ‘translation' were arrested for crimes against Hogwarts.

But that’s not as bad as what goes on in China. There, they often released fake, pastiche translations of the books, even before they are released in English. Examples of such include: Harry Potter and the Crystal Vase, Harry Potter and the Golden Turtle, and most famously, Harry Potter and Leopard-Walk-Up-to-Dragon.

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Renegade Eye said...

Is the Catholic church in Poland upset about Pottermania?

Some US fundamentalists tried to stop libraries and schools from having that series.

michael farris said...

As a translator myself I can't really disapprove of informal fan translations as long as the readers realize the quality is going to be pretty low (unless the fans doing the translation have some training).

There's a common misconception (not only in Poland) that the ability to translate is a function of knowledge of two languages. Actually, it's a set of skills that are somewhat independent of language knowledge per se (end of sermon).

My current pet peeve about Polish translators from English is they really do need to specialize in British or American and turn down jobs they're not qualified for. In some fields this isn't so big a problem, but in movie subtitles there are too many words used in both countries with different meanings (and too many translators who don't know both).

I'm really sick of stupid mistakes like 'jelly' being translated as 'galaretka' (no, it's dżem) and 'holiday' as 'wakacje' (when it should be święto).

I don't know if translators of British movies make similar mistakes by imposing American meanings.

beatroot said...

it's a set of skills that are somewhat independent of language knowledge per se (end of sermon).

No, give us an idea of these skills. I imagine you have to be a good writer, to start with.

And the mistakes are often and many in film translating. But please give them some sympathy. Paid not good, churning out hours of stuff, and restricted to thirteen or so words per screen....must be hell.

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Being a good writer helps (being a good editor is even better).

One thing is that many of the habits that make a person a good language learner get in the way in translating. Not thinking about your first language (L1) and concentrating on the target language you're learning (L2) can mean you end up with very little connection between your L1 and L2. This works great if you're looking to mostly socialize and/or work in the L2. It can make translating very difficult as you understand lots of things in the L2 but can't access what it means in your L1 (hard to believe but it happens a lot). This is especially dangerous for interpreters but it drag out the time required for written translation excessively. A trqanslator needs to develop links between their L1 and L2 and it's harder than it might seem at first.

A lot of the rest of it boils down to developing conscious knowledge of things you know and do unconsciously including the implications of words (extra meanings not found in dictionaries) and the presuppositional content of texts (things that a native reader will understand from reading a text that don't actually appear in the text). There's also learning how to navigate around lexical gaps (it's amazing how many things can't be said in any given language and how these gaps don't line up across languages). You need to learn to avoid what I call 'triggers' automatic translations that aren't right (for example, it's very easy to translate every occurence of the Polish relative pronoun który as 'which, who' but very often either nothing or 'that' is better) also Polish participle adjectives (grający, będący etc) are usually better translated as relative clauses etc. etc etc

geez said...

Why do folks on the left (and some folks in the Church) think that the Church is a monolithic institution where everybody marches lockstep to directives?

beatroot said...

Reeennn.....Geeeeeez....why are you brinin' in damn religion down on poor old Harry? He almost died in the last book, for gawd sake...!
Actually, the Radio Maryja bunch did get a bit excited about Hogwarts...magic and stuff, innit?

michael farris said...

dear geez,

It is in sadness rather than anger (and a spirit of fellowship) that we bring the following to your attention.
Namely, we could not help but notice that during the last march, your left foot was consistently .03 seconds behind the other members of your row. Please correct this in the future,

monolithically yours,
the Church

Anonymous said...

Maybe I'm wrong, but as far as I know, the US Catholics have no problem with Senor Potter. It only seems to be the Protestant Fundamentalists. Yet the same Protestant Fundamentalists are cool with the Chronicles of Narnia which ironically contains (god forbid) witches and magic. I AM curious to see what Fuhrer Rydzik would have to say about Harry and the Hogwarts Crew...
I can't believe someone as tolerant as him would have a problem with it. hehe

beatroot said...

I am quite sure I remember a story about the Rydzyk crew gettin down on 'arry.

Mike - you are in Poznan: did you meet Polkowski? Whtzee like?

Anonymous said...

Beat,

Do you have any links of the Fuhrer getting down on 'arry? In English? Just curious

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I haven't met Polkowski, though I have met the publisher of Potter in Poland (the american Robert Gamble).

The only Harry Potter book I've read was the first and that was actually Polkowski's translation (it was cheap in a used book store). Not having read the original it's hard to know what to make of it (as a translation). It was enjoyable enough but I haven't been tempted to go buy the rest.

Mugol is maybe a better word than muggle (it sounds more expressive with that disdainful -ol suffix) but IIRC the mix of translated and original names didn't always work for me.
I left my copy of the book at work and also IIRC there was a glossery to explain some the realia of English life (as presented in the book) that might not be obvious to Polish readers including typically dismissive comments about English food, especially English pudding which Poles seem to find disgusting.

beatroot said...

Anon – can’t find an article…but maybe my mind deceived me. Maybe the critic of Harry Potter was this guy…a German guy…

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jul/05071301.html

michael farris said...

AFAIK the Polish public is under the impression that JPII approved of Potter* and not even Rydzyk is going to take on JPII's memory (yet).


*I think there's some controversy as to whether or not he actually said he approved or not but that's secondary to the current public perception

geez said...

A "few" different Catholic viewpoints:

http://www.kosciol.pl/staticpages/index.php/harry_potter

As far as I know, the Harry Potter encyclical has not yet been written. But there may be a few Chinese forgeries of it.

Dave Marlow said...

I've always wondered who would go to the trouble to translate a pirated copy? And why?

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