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The theft of the "Arbeit macht frei" sign from Gate I at the site of the former Nazi death camp at Auschwitz showed one politician from the ruling Civic Platform party has delusions of an outside conspiracy, trying to make Poland look bad. (photo: Police image of alleged criminal working for dark international forces?)

The sign disappeared for three days before police, acting on a tip off, arrested five men up near Torun. They are accused of arriving at the Auschwitz museum site at around 03.00 CET Friday morning, unscrewing the five metre sign, hauling what weights anything up to 40 kilograms 400 metres, through a hole in the fence and into a van and then driving it up to northern Poland. There they sawed it into three bits and then hid it in the woods.

In those three days, politicians and others inside and outside Poland expressed how shocked they were, etc, and some pointed to dark motives behind the theft.

Avner Shalev, head of the Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial in Jerusalem was reported to have said: " This act constitutes an act of war."

A theory that neo-Nazis had set the whole thing up rapidly did the rounds. Others thought that this was a set up by those who want to do Poland down.

Civic Plarform’s Pawel Gras said the motive behind the Auschwitz sign theft could be to damage Poland’s international reputation ahead of January’s 65th anniversary celebrations of the liberation of the death camp on January 27. The timing of the theft was “no accident,” he told Radio Zet.

“If the case is not solved by [January] all of the attention will be on the theft and not the message that should be coming out of Poland,” Gras said Sunday.

That this was a criminal act, pure and simple, did not come into it in those three days when the sign was a sign of the times - when everyone sees a deep, dark motive of international scope behind everything that happens.

Today, however, everyone is saying that the gang of men, all known criminals, must have been paid by some weirdo collector. They were not neo-nazis. They were not international provocators.

But that’s a bit boring, isn’t it? I prefer what Gras might be implying: It’s the Russians wot did it!

105 comments:

varus said...

I also provided an unbelievable amount of talk time on the nation's radios. I understand that it was a shock, but the publicity just turned these thieves into celebrities.

varus said...

Obviously It not I as the first word, :)

ge'ez said...

Just plain old thieves? Who would buy the sign from them?

beatroot said...

Someone who ordered it. It's obvious. They would not have done it without knowing they had a buyer. People like the ones alleged to have done this would not know international dealers unless they had been put in contact with them first.

Anonymous said...

No matter what the facts may suggest or even so-called allegedly "prove" this was our old friend a "prowokacja".

jannowak57 said...

Gras was making a logical point and I didn’t see him point to Russia or any other country specifically.

Historically Poland’s enemies have tried to paint Poles as murderous anti-Semites in order to diminish western sympathy for Poland’s plight and we know Poland has many enemies both to the east as well as the west.

Not withstanding the actual circumstance of the theft, the successful Police action did an effective job of damage control. Now we need a swift and transparent investigation to determined who commissioned the theft.

beatroot said...

Jan - how can someone be making a logical point when he had no information to go on and was just spouting the content s of his slightly paranoid imagination?

Latest report on TVN 24 says that there is a Swedish connection. Four stole the sign and other guy who was leading them - Marcin S. was acting for a dealer in Sweden. The amount of money involved is not much - between 10 and 30,000 euros, apparently.

ge'ez said...

What is known about this dealer in Sweden?

Obviously, the guys who stole it were pawns. But who ordered the operation?

The big question that still remains is who was the buyer? And what were his/her/their intent? Their political background?

ge'ez said...

And PG, I'm assuming it's you who wrote the article noting that the authorities are putting out hints that the buyer was a Nazi memorabilia collector.

I spoze all sorts of folks buy such stuff for all sorts of reasons. But I'd like to know the background and motivations of this particular guy/gal/group.

I'm not assuming these motivations are anti-Polish but they might be. More likely, I'd guess whoever is behind this was motivated by greed and a warped idea of value.

And as for the flunkies who acted as the thieves, well, they should have known better as to how this would make Poles look -- at best as idiotic theives and worse as anti-Semitic and pro-Nazi thugs.

beatroot said...

Police wont comment on the Swedish stuuf, Geez, as it must have come as a leak from the police office in Krakow. the latest is here...

http://www.thenews.pl/national/artykul122497_police-display-stolen-auschwitz-sign.html

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Czarny Kot said...

Given the atrocious weather conditions at the time, it is clear to me that this was not a student prank or a common theft.

Someone really wanted to have the sign. I'd put my money on a wealthy far-right nutcase.

beatroot said...

What has the weather got to do with it?

beakerkin said...

Beatroot

This may sound odd but there may not have been much more to this than ordinary greed or a collectors obsession. Collectors are obsessed with certain items and are known to do bizarre things. There apparently is a man in the USA obsessed with Pan Am and has built a midsection of a plane in the USA. I have seen all manner of odd things including door hinges collected.

Ideally one would understand the historic and cultural significance of the artifact, but collectors are a strange breed.

Czarny Kot said...

When it's around minus 20 outside I don't think pranksters or scrap metal thieves are really going to be up for it.

To unscrew a big piece of metal and carry it away in those weather conditions you must really want it, or you are paid quite a lot by someone who does.

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Wesolych Swiat y'all.

And as a side note, I just heard on the news that John Lennon's footprints in the sidewalk somewhere(Hollywood?)were just stolen.

The Huntsman said...

I still think we should be asking David Milisquirt and Denis McShane for an alibi.

They must be key suspects in any plot to do Poland down

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Eastern Europe Watch said...

Beatroot. Yet nobody has compared what was a callous a botched theft, and the conspiracy theorising behind it, with the total demolition of the Red Army memorial in Kutaisi in Georgia on December 19th 2009.

This was intentional state vandalism far worse and definitely meant as a vengeful nationistic act by a far right government. But it was scarecly mentioned in the Western media.

I raised the comparison on a Guardian article by Peter Lazenby and for trying to broaden out the debate gor put on pre-moderation and smeared an anti-semite by the absurd oafs at CiF Watch.

The equivalent of what Saakashvili did would be if Kaczynski ordered the Soviet graves in the Rakowice cementary to be ripped out and the monument demolished.

But as Georgia is a strategic ally ( BTC pipeline etc etc ) and only big bully Russia ever commits nasty nationalist acts, the whole event has been virtual not news apart from one minor mention on the BBC.

Georgian Boy said...

Why would one make such a stupid comparison as to equate the demolition of the Red Army memorial in Kutaisi in Georgia to the sign theft at a Polish museum?

Georgia is a sovereign state and has every right to remove the symbols of Soviet/Russian oppression. No one would criticize the French for removing or objecting to a monument glorifying an SS trooper. Even countries of the former British Empire removed colonial era statues and monuments.

The errors in your logic are glaring, in your headlong rush to spread misrepresentations about Georgia and parrot Russia foreign policy you demonstrate your lack of intellect and third-rate educational background.

Combat Antisemitism said...

Eastern Europe Watch may be a Russian government sponsored site to spread dis-information, this blog posts articles and blocks the comment section.

There have been a number of issues raised concerning antisemitism.

Eastern Europe Watch said...

@Georgia Boy.

"Why would one make such a stupid comparison as to equate the demolition of the Red Army memorial in Kutaisi in Georgia to the sign theft at a Polish museum?"

Because that sentence minus the word "stupid" is a legitimate comparison to raise, that's why.

"Georgia is a sovereign state and has every right to remove the symbols of Soviet/Russian oppression".

Russia isn't the Soviet Union and the Glory Mounument was also for the 30,000 Georgians who died fighting Nazi Germany.

Which is why leading opponents og Saakashvili quite rightly protested against a "barbaric act". As reported on the KGB run station Radio Liberty.

Go and read it.

'The errors in your logic are glaring, in your headlong rush to spread misrepresentations about Georgia and parrot Russia foreign policy you demonstrate your lack of intellect and third-rate educational background'

The logic has far more to yours which seems as though you read Orwell's Notes on Nationalism not as a warning against it but a perfect model upon which to base a tedious form of nationalistic monomania upon.

I am not pro-Putin. I just try to be objective.

Blowing up a war memorial to ordinary Red Army soldiers is barbaric. If Lech Kaczynski tore down Soviet war graves in Rakowice cementary would that be justified in your opinion ?

Any sane and humane individual would say not.

But, then again, I forgot I'm now tagged and smeared as a professional KGB agent in league with shadowy far right anti-semitic groups.! What a joke.

People will read you and laugh. Which is what I'm doing as well. I'm English, I teach it and blog on Eastern Europe as a hobby. There is nothing sinister about me at all.

Don't be so silly.

ge'ez said...

Comparing the tearing down of Red Army memorial in Georgia to ripping up graves in Poland or anywhere else for that matter? Well, that shows where you're at, EEW. It sure comes off as if you just want to blow out of proportion the Georgian situation.

The Memorial as far as I understand, and I'm willing to be corrected, is to the Red Army and not just ordinary Georgians. Would you object if the Georgian gubmint opted to take off the Red Army inscription or even replaced the old memorial with a memorial deemed more appropriate?

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That's pretty wild stuff pipelines, extraterrestrials and Polish soldiers in Afghanistan.

I don't understand in this "great game" who's side are the extraterrestrials suppose to be on?

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Well, since you haven't read it but just smeared it, there is nothing for me to respond to.

Pipelines and the Great Game are not "conspiracy theories". It's called geopolitics you dolt.

And there is no mention of extraterrestrials anywhere. Go to David Icke's site if you want that.

Eastern Europe Watch said...

Ge-ez

"Comparing the tearing down of Red Army memorial in Georgia to ripping up graves in Poland or anywhere else for that matter? Well, that shows where you're at, EEW. It sure comes off as if you just want to blow out of proportion the Georgian situation".

What is that supposed to actually mean? The principle is clear. Destroying minuments to the dead as opposed to toppling the statues dedicated to tyrants is barbaric.

I find it curious that such a simple moral precept is beyong the comprehension of so many people who would by angry if done to monuments in their nation.

AS when a youth was arrested drunk for pissing on a British war memorial recently.

Or as British Stag Nighters are wont to do when they urinate over the monuments to the victims of the Holocaust in Bratislava.

Such incidents, even the Stag Nighters torturing pigeons in Krakow gets into the media. But not this massive act of nationalistically driven vandalism.

I'm putting the incident INTO proportion and not doing the opposite. Which is presumably why you are suggesting I'm being unreasonable.

Think about it. If I took a sledgehammer to a commonwealth war monument, shat on top of it or draped red paint on it, would you call that civilised ?

"The Memorial as far as I understand, and I'm willing to be corrected, is to the Red Army and not just ordinary Georgians"

It is to memory of the 300,000 Georgians and those who died fighting alongside the Russians in the Red Army to defeat the USSR from invasion.

Which is probably why lots of democratic opponents of Saakashvili and the sculptor who designed it protested against it as desecration and barbarism.

beatroot said...

East European watch said:
I raised the comparison on a Guardian article by Peter Lazenby and for trying to broaden out the debate gor put on pre-moderation and smeared an anti-semite by the absurd oafs at CiF Watch.
Lazenby’s article - I read it at the time - said:

The theft of this symbol filled me with horror, reminding me of the continuing attempt by Holocaust deniers and apologists to erase evidence of the depravity of nazism.
Well, it may remind him of the “deniers” but it has nothing to do the denial. It was probably monetary gain and maybe some masturbatory material for some weirdo collector.

And it doesn’t matter that the sign was or was not ordered by a Nazi or whatever…the point is that this was a criminal case not an ideological one.

But East Eurpopean Watch - I think you are being a bit naïve - ours is a time when we look for the dark force behind everything. I remember at the time of the Fritzl case in Austria the Guardian, like many others, speculating that he imprisoned and raped his daughter in a cellar for years because he was from a small town in central Europe where they like to “keep their secrets buried.”

Bullshit. Fritzl was a psycho - period.

Anonymous said...

Help me EEW, I still am having trouble with your theory where I get lost is the part about the pro-Israeli extraterrestrials abducting the president of Georgia and hitting him with the mind control laser so he would do their bidding by removing a war memorial which sits a top of the secret pipeline route.. How does this relate to the secret and still hidden supply of crude oil under Afghanistan which is being guarded by the Polish Army.

The main stream media is just no covering this story the way it should.

beatroot said...
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beatroot said...

I never heard of this story till I came here, actually...but it looks like it took a lot of dynamite...blew people to bits...

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/1221/1224261041801.html

ge'ez said...

It means what it says.

It makes no sense to bring ripping up graves into the equation when that ain't happening.

And it's not just a monument to the war dead but a monument to the Red Army. What part of that don't you get?

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latest says it weas THE BRITS WOT DID IT!!!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/01/03/auschwitz-sign-was-stolen-for-wealthy-british-nazi-115875-21937555/

ge'ez said...

A British Nazi? Say it ain't so, BR! So while the Polish guys involved weren't Nazis, the guy behind it all was indeed one.

ge'ez said...

So how isn't the crime deological? At least in terms of the Brit Nazi who was behind it all?

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@Georgia Boy. "Why would one make such a stupid comparison as to equate the demolition of the Red Army memorial in Kutaisi in Georgia to the sign theft at a Polish museum?" Because that sentence minus the word "stupid" is a legitimate comparison to raise, that's why. "Georgia is a sovereign state and has every right to remove the symbols of Soviet/Russian oppression". Russia isn't the Soviet Union and the Glory Mounument was also for the 30,000 Georgians who died fighting Nazi Germany. Which is why leading opponents og Saakashvili quite rightly protested against a "barbaric act". As reported on the KGB run station Radio Liberty. Go and read it. 'The errors in your logic are glaring, in your headlong rush to spread misrepresentations about Georgia and parrot Russia foreign policy you demonstrate your lack of intellect and third-rate educational background' The logic has far more to yours which seems as though you read Orwell's Notes on Nationalism not as a warning against it but a perfect model upon which to base a tedious form of nationalistic monomania upon. I am not pro-Putin. I just try to be objective. Blowing up a war memorial to ordinary Red Army soldiers is barbaric. If Lech Kaczynski tore down Soviet war graves in Rakowice cementary would that be justified in your opinion ? Any sane and humane individual would say not. But, then again, I forgot I'm now tagged and smeared as a professional KGB agent in league with shadowy far right anti-semitic groups.! What a joke. People will read you and laugh. Which is what I'm doing as well. I'm English, I teach it and blog on Eastern Europe as a hobby. There is nothing sinister about me at all. Don't be so silly.

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I still think we should be asking David Milisquirt and Denis McShane for an alibi. They must be key suspects in any plot to do Poland down

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