tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post867418030935865943..comments2024-03-20T10:19:56.838+01:00Comments on the beatroot: Afghanistan - where western leaders go to ‘find themselves’beatroothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-10731031352807325132011-01-10T00:19:01.676+01:002011-01-10T00:19:01.676+01:00Hi,
I begin on internet with a directoryHi, <br /> <br /> I begin on internet with a directoryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-21141172477509872262009-04-17T22:42:00.000+02:002009-04-17T22:42:00.000+02:00p.s. ofcourse i understand that the invasion cause...p.s. ofcourse i understand that the invasion caused the instability; give me some credit!!varushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00607642372495291037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-35826089241154801372009-04-17T22:41:00.000+02:002009-04-17T22:41:00.000+02:00p.s. ofcourse i understand that the invasion cause...p.s. ofcourse i understand that the invasion caused the instability; give me some credit!!varushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00607642372495291037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-49773483699915291132009-04-17T22:38:00.000+02:002009-04-17T22:38:00.000+02:00The stability issue as regards the security and in...The stability issue as regards the security and infastructure is abot the present day. Whether we like it or not, Nato in involved. We can not just up sticks and leave. The issue of whether we should have gone in in 2001 is ofcourse another issue entirely. In terms of soveriegnty, this is ofcourse and aquard issue and the present day precedent was ofcourse set in 1999 with Kosovo. Does a third party have a right to intervene in an independent countries domestic affairs. Acording to the Westphalian system: no! However, we also have to take into account that the 2001 War was the first time that Nato's 5th Article was invoked and so prehaps this overides soverignty. Beetroot, i am not supposing that i have all the answers, but i am sure that the Talaban needed to be got rid of. Whether this was the best way, prehaps onoly history will tell.varushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00607642372495291037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-46720103555819505452009-04-17T20:27:00.000+02:002009-04-17T20:27:00.000+02:00I can;t work out if that is pro invading Afghanist...I can;t work out if that is pro invading Afghanistan - and invading its sovereignty - or not? Neither do I know if you realise that the invasion helped cause the instability? It's not a cure, it's one of the causes.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-33732141202318326252009-04-16T22:32:00.000+02:002009-04-16T22:32:00.000+02:00Out of all of that debate, the last four cooments ...Out of all of that debate, the last four cooments were the best by far!!! Generally i dissagree with a lot of what has been said. 1) Security and infrasstructure go hand in hand; to seperate them goes against all the lessons that have been learnt in the last twenty years of peacekeeping/counter-insurgency. 2) To get involved in Afghanistan was just a matter of time and oppurtunity/motivation. We (the "west") could not have allowed this State to exist much longer, just as Somalia is becoming a sore upon the international landscape. I am sorry for putting it bluntly, but in these respects i am a realist in that i know that it takes a selfish reason for countries to get involved in other's turmoil. Tak Sudan, where countless deaths had not motivated people in the way that Bosnia's proximity to the EU did. Therefore Somalia'spoverty is nothing as long as it does not touch anyone else, howevetr, if it touches valuable ships, then that is different.varushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00607642372495291037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-21210182404627723882009-04-12T01:11:00.000+02:002009-04-12T01:11:00.000+02:00Northern Irish! No Surrender!Bunnies.Northern Irish! <BR/><BR/>No Surrender!<BR/><BR/>Bunnies.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-18923877295487097082009-04-11T18:14:00.000+02:002009-04-11T18:14:00.000+02:00And it even looks like Ireland may even have a bet...And it even looks like Ireland may even have a better football team.<BR/><BR/>Hoppy holidaze.ge'eznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-78384669604410704752009-04-11T09:39:00.000+02:002009-04-11T09:39:00.000+02:00Them Brits...bastards!Them Brits...bastards!beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-8397793560205684682009-04-10T23:22:00.000+02:002009-04-10T23:22:00.000+02:00Well. as long as you admit it's the fault of the B...Well. as long as you admit it's the fault of the British....ge'eznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-29326064415267615662009-04-10T15:51:00.000+02:002009-04-10T15:51:00.000+02:00Well...you can go back to belfore agreement...1917...Well...you can go back to belfore agreement...1917 or so and then just keep going forward to present day...that part of the world has always been an Imperialists play thing...and outside powers, having created the situation in the first place should not keep flattering themselves that they are suddenly part of the solution...because they were not, are not, and will not be..beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-9975261532304618232009-04-10T12:05:00.000+02:002009-04-10T12:05:00.000+02:00Lemme guess. You're saying that the Israelis are ...Lemme guess. You're saying that the Israelis are puppets of the US?<BR/><BR/>And the US was responsible for WWII thereby driving European Jewry to Palestine?ge'eznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-39454104765967785592009-04-10T08:06:00.000+02:002009-04-10T08:06:00.000+02:00I have no prediction when that conflict - entriely...I have no prediction when that conflict - entriely created by outside interference, of course, will end. But do you really think, they need help, like unruly children, from the wise, wise west? <BR/><BR/>Don;t flatter yourself.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04895428794669508579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-43396407230037001902009-04-10T01:58:00.000+02:002009-04-10T01:58:00.000+02:00I think the term "Ad nauseum" came about for a rea...I think the term "Ad nauseum" came about for a reason.<BR/><BR/>Your prediction as to when the Palestinian - Israeli conflict will end?<BR/><BR/>I ain't holding my breath...ge'eznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-68539633413781282662009-04-09T21:32:00.000+02:002009-04-09T21:32:00.000+02:00It ain't gonna work is not a foreign policy, Mr Ge...It ain't gonna work is not a foreign policy, Mr Geez. But, in fact, most conflicts end. No - ALL conflicts end. But when intenetion risks making things worse then that is a bad foreign policy. Obama's is a bad foreign policy.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-26354591726569765442009-04-09T21:26:00.000+02:002009-04-09T21:26:00.000+02:00Sorta like letting the Palestinians and Israelis s...Sorta like letting the Palestinians and Israelis sort things out for themselves...<BR/><BR/>Ain't gonna work. <BR/><BR/>Intervention may not work either. <BR/><BR/>Maybe Afghanistan is just damned.ge'eznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-85262173978187632512009-04-09T21:18:00.000+02:002009-04-09T21:18:00.000+02:00But the Taliban took Al-Qaeda’s money and allowed ...<I>But the Taliban took Al-Qaeda’s money and allowed its territory to be used as a centre for training and planning operations against the west. </I>.<BR/><BR/>Training? Have you seen the "training" these ace jihad fighters were getting in Afghanistan? Doing pseudo-combat training on caveman style wooden gymnasiums? <BR/><BR/>Many of the guys who did 9/11 were radicalised in Hamburg - not Kabul - and trained in the United States. That’s where they learned to fly the plains. Afghanistan had no substantial input at all. <BR/><BR/>Afghanistan was invaded because bin Laden was there. But he has had little to do with the three al-Qaeda attacks in the west: 9/11, Madrid, London. Afghanistan was invaded by a President Bush myth, so as to be seen to be "doing something" to get revenge for 9/11. So was Iraq. <BR/><BR/>Geez<BR/>No - self determination for Afghans to sort this for themselves. That's the way to empower people.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-45340369625660541772009-04-09T19:01:00.000+02:002009-04-09T19:01:00.000+02:00There are stabile areas in which schools can be bu...There are stabile areas in which schools can be built which which will keep them stabile. <BR/><BR/>And on the experience of building schools in Pakistan and Afghanistan, see: www.ikat.org<BR/><BR/>And seek out the book Three Cups of Tea by Greg Mortenson and David Oliver Relin.<BR/><BR/>Finally, I'm sorry, but self-determination for fascists has never been my cup of tea, wanton-wild-wooly interventionist that I am.ge'eznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-22287842444082857482009-04-09T18:16:00.000+02:002009-04-09T18:16:00.000+02:00beatroot said: “ Obama's foreign policy is Bush-li...beatroot said: “ Obama's foreign policy is Bush-lite” <BR/>I don’t see where he has a lot of choices short of the Taliban cutting a deal to sell out Al-Qaeda. Were it not for Al-Qaeda who would care how backward and primitive the country was under the Taliban.<BR/><BR/>ge'ez said “That said, I would rather have troops concentrating on building schools which will prove to be the greatest protection against Islamic extremism.”<BR/><BR/>I don’t s see how you can do this, you can not build schools, hospitals and roads while you’re your under fire. If you build that new school and have the teacher beheaded by the Taliban or the students sprayed with acid your getting nowhere. It has to be security first and aid second. And yes your right the Taliban are responsible for the instability.<BR/><BR/>beatroot said “The region was comparatively stable with the Taliban in power. That's why many Afghanis and Pakistan supported it.”<BR/><BR/>Yes that’s correct and in itself would not have inspired western intervention. But the Taliban took Al-Qaeda’s money and allowed its territory to be used as a centre for training and planning operations against the west. We must remember that the Taliban were given a chance to hand over the Al-Qaeda people in order to avoid invasion but chose not to.jannowak57noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-47545963794957357302009-04-09T17:48:00.000+02:002009-04-09T17:48:00.000+02:00Me supporting or not taliban anything is immateria...Me supporting or not taliban anything is immaterial...that's Afghanis problem to sort out. Which they have before and will do again. <BR/><BR/>The problem for Afghanis has always been foreign occupations. They are the destabalisers...British, Russia, Obama...beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-2820768460574446342009-04-09T16:44:00.000+02:002009-04-09T16:44:00.000+02:00So you are supportive of Taliban-brand stability?W...So you are supportive of Taliban-brand stability?<BR/><BR/>Why do you insist on analyzing the situation now by comparing the period before the Taliban took power to the period when the Taliban had power?ge'eznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-27330350775673067632009-04-09T15:32:00.000+02:002009-04-09T15:32:00.000+02:00No, the Taliban are responsible for most of what's...<I>No, the Taliban are responsible for most of what's bad that's happening in that region. You completely left them out of the equation...</I><BR/><BR/>That's simply not he case. The region was comparitivly stable with the Taliban in power. That's why many Afghanis and Pakistan supported it. Before the Taliban there was civil war betwen groups funded and supported by the Us against Soviet occupation.<BR/><BR/>Since the invasion and occupation by the US etc the region has destabilised massivly...and the policies of the occupaying forces have been the main contributor for that.<BR/><BR/>So I am afraid the west cannot pass the BUCK that easily...beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-12400287085818926292009-04-09T12:29:00.000+02:002009-04-09T12:29:00.000+02:00No, the Taliban are responsible for most of what's...No, the Taliban are responsible for most of what's bad that's happening in that region. You completely left them out of the equation.<BR/><BR/>That said, I would rather have troops concentrating on building schools which will prove to be the greatest protection against Islamic extremism.ge'eznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-8885460105764220992009-04-09T07:54:00.000+02:002009-04-09T07:54:00.000+02:00I agree that say Germany tries to have it both way...I agree that say Germany tries to have it both ways as far as their role in Nato is concerned. and how much longer can they play the history card in this.<BR/><BR/>But my point was more about what Nato forces are doing in Afghanistan in the first place. I don;t think it has got much to do with the Afghanis. And when things go wring...Nato blames the Afghanis and not themselves - who are ultimatly responcible for what is happening that region. <BR/><BR/>And Obama's foreign policy is Bush-lite...no great CHANGE there...beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-23414753593994579102009-04-09T05:04:00.000+02:002009-04-09T05:04:00.000+02:00Nie ma problemu! is right.Why don’t we just take t...Nie ma problemu! is right.<BR/><BR/>Why don’t we just take the lead from France and Germany after all as established members of Nato and the European union could they actually be wrong? <BR/><BR/>Well let me tell you no red blooded Pole could stomach the depravity of the French and German positions. To conduct yourself as a duplicitous, cynical coward in full view of the entire world is outside of the cultural norms of most Poles.<BR/><BR/>We are represented by 1600 soldiers (soon to be 2000) who operated without elaborate restrictions and this is a real contribution proportional in size to our population and economy. These soldiers are doing a good job and should be fully supported by the nation that sent them. That means the politicians taking time to show some interest in the mission.<BR/><BR/>There can be no greater failing of the character than conniving by means of lies and deception to avoid doing your fair share, especially if you were the nation that received the greatest benefit from the alliance. The German keeps telling us how they were traumatized by the war and now remain reluctant to get into a combat mission. After all our great grand fathers were raving Nazis so don’t have any great expectations from us on the world scene. Wrong! Your great grandfathers had no moral fabric and your just carrying on with German tradition.<BR/><BR/>The German forces have many restrictions on the use of their forces in Afghanistan one of which is no patrolling without the presence of a motorized ambulance. This sleazy little restriction was designed to avoid foot patrols and therefore making their units of no use in the areas where combat is taking place. The French are demonstrating their little better. <BR/><BR/>Poland is doing the right thing in Afghanistan and has nothing to apologize for.jannowak57noreply@blogger.com