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Just to Br...Thanks for this debate - great stuff! <br /><br />Just to Brian May - Poles love arguing about pretty much everything, but the average Pole-in-the-street has politics fatigue. It's a post-communist society, unlike France, and in those days EVERYTHING was political. Most Poles just want things to calm down, and younger Poles are ideology-lite like everywhere else. So, enthusiasm for politics is low here. Which is a shame.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-55293448467968639932011-11-25T14:16:06.528+01:002011-11-25T14:16:06.528+01:00You say in your first sentence it's not differ...You say in your first sentence it's not different, then in your second sentence you admit it's qualitatively different.<br /><br />Per se? Nothing exists in a historical vacuum.<br /><br />Smoking is a vice, anti-Semitism something more insidious.<br /><br />Dmowski could have helped Jews before the war, instead he played a key role in inciting hatred against them.<br /><br />You are certainly right in your asseessment that Dmowski was not Catholic. <br /><br />In any event, if you are truly opposed to manifestations of hatred towards any ethnic, racial or religious group, you should be opposed to Dmowski statues because he was an example and a symbol, and still is, of exactly that towards Jews.Gronickinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-46402219449184878422011-11-25T10:59:09.745+01:002011-11-25T10:59:09.745+01:00Gronicki, anti-semitism per se (As in: dislike for...Gronicki, anti-semitism per se (As in: dislike for Jews) is not different from dislike or hate to any other ethnic group. It is true that anti-semitism has been most widespread and has the worse effects. But I refuse to accept the view that hating Poles, or Russians, or Germans is acceptable, and hating Jews is not. Both are not acceptable. I do not say anti-semite is OK; I say that one can be great man even if he has huge vices. <br /><br />Dmowski could help any Jews since he died before the war. <br /><br />As for Dmowski catholicism, seems to me he was not, though he from practical reasons thought that Catholic Church is useful in preserving Polish nation. <br /><br />Read more about Dmowski. You may be really surprised. He had HUGE influence on all polish politicians, and his influence may be seen even now, even on people who do not even realise this. <br /><br />/szopenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-40168664381184825572011-11-24T22:01:27.807+01:002011-11-24T22:01:27.807+01:00To be sure, the example of Kossak-Szczucka is one ...To be sure, the example of Kossak-Szczucka is one of the most interesting and confounding aspects of Polish history. She, and other Catholic Poles, saw Jews as the enemy of what she considered the Polish nation, yet she risked her life to save them. Oh, how much of a Catholic was Dmowski?Gronickinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-37914821455434549662011-11-24T21:45:07.355+01:002011-11-24T21:45:07.355+01:00Well if Hitler was an anti-Semite, and Dmowski was...Well if Hitler was an anti-Semite, and Dmowski was an anti-Semite, there is certainly a place for comparison by degree. You seem to be saying that Dmowski or other anti-Semites were great guys as long as they weren't gassing Jews. Oh, and please inform me of how many Jews were ever helped by Dmowski. <br /><br />You seem to be arguing against the very concept of civilization. But that helps me understand your skewed reasoning.<br /><br />Anti-Semitism has proven to be the same in terms of historical consequences as anti-Polonism? You're kidding me, right?Gronickinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-82859400466271703172011-11-24T12:20:50.499+01:002011-11-24T12:20:50.499+01:00There is no comparison between Hitler and Dmowski....There is no comparison between Hitler and Dmowski. Dmowski was antisemite, but he was not murderer, nor he did advocate murdering. There is huge difference between saying "Jews in Poland are like salt in soup: a bit salt improves the taste, but too much spoils the soup" and Hitler's mad manias.<br /><br />It's just like Kossak-Szczucka, who was antisemite, but was risking her life to save Jews. Should we make statues to Kossak-Szczucka for thing she did (Zegota and saving Jewish kids) or maybe we should despise her because she was antisemite?<br /><br />Also, saying "well Voltaire was antisemite but it was so long time ago, while Dmowski was antisemite in XX century" is flawed reasoning. Antisemitism was probably as widespread in 1920s as it was in XVIII, and people were as aware that it was bad in XVIII and in XX century. <br /><br />Moreover, being anti-semite is not much different from being germanophobe, russophobe or polonophobe. Judging other people just basing on their religion or nationality is a bad thing. As such, why not demand destroying Bismarcks statues? What about Lloyd George, british premier, known from his dislike for Poles (if not his like of Hitler)? Why do you (quite recently!) can find statues in GB (recently erected!) and there are streets in his honour? <br /><br />/szopenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-87602696785745107502011-11-24T11:04:39.207+01:002011-11-24T11:04:39.207+01:00Two things :
Thanks for the title ;-) It made me ...Two things :<br /><br />Thanks for the title ;-) It made me laugh to tears to see this again (with John Cleese) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnNhzgcWTk<br /><br />As no traditional parties celebrated the Independance day, it seems polish people aren't too much into politics... Am I right ? I come from France, and politics are always a passionate part of our discussions, anywhere, anytime !Brian Mayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01536873181350914498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-41377814294145963622011-11-22T00:13:45.174+01:002011-11-22T00:13:45.174+01:00This passage from the Anti-Defamation League discr...This passage from the Anti-Defamation League discredits the validity of the supposed Franklin prophecy speech: www.adl.org/special_reports/franklin_prophecy/print.asp<br /><br />George Washington: Check out snopes.com re. Washington's reference to currency speculators.<br /><br />And let's not compare the 20th century to the 18th.<br /><br />Yes, Ford was an anti-Semite. He also wasn't very kind to his workers. Edison was a great inventor but a jerk in many other ways. Yea, take down their statues, too.<br /><br />And Hitler made the trains run on time and rebuilt Germany. So by your reasoning, Germany should still honor him with statues.tired of boneheadsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-27777623268690421242011-11-21T17:29:49.830+01:002011-11-21T17:29:49.830+01:00We will remove Dmowski statitues the very moment t...We will remove Dmowski statitues the very moment ther will be no statues of Pushkin, Voltaire, Edison, H. Ford, Washington, Franklin. <br /><br />There wre two people who contributed the most to Poland gaining independence: Dmowski, with his realistic perception and Pilsudski with idealistic. E.g. when Pilsudski went to japan to ensure money and weapons for armed insurrection in Poland (before WWI) Dmowski went there to ensure Pilsudski will get none, since Dmowski wanted no more uprisings, but hard work and organisation (e.g. in 1905 he did whatever possible to prevent uprising, which would in his opinion only provoke needless bloodshed and repressions). <br /><br />We gave him statues despite him being antisemite, because of what he did for Poland. <br /><br />/szopenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-56632381841972695332011-11-18T16:50:07.131+01:002011-11-18T16:50:07.131+01:00Speaking of disturbances, what ever came of the po...Speaking of disturbances, what ever came of the police shooting of an unarmed Nigerian in the Warsaw Market a year or so ago?<br /><br />Where has the media been in documenting the aftermath?<br /><br />Has there been an investigation? Conducted by whom? Results?<br /><br />And as I recall, many of the Nigerians arrested that day were going to be deported. Were they?Jakub Gawonskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-31726781735878651372011-11-17T14:37:03.378+01:002011-11-17T14:37:03.378+01:00When was the statue erected?
Who was there from t...When was the statue erected?<br /><br />Who was there from the government presiding over and observing it's dedication?Z. Zuccottinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-26584194247855680962011-11-17T10:06:44.362+01:002011-11-17T10:06:44.362+01:00Which is interesting is it not? There is also a ro...Which is interesting is it not? There is also a roundabout named after him slap bang in the middle of Warsaw. Dmowski, let's not foprget, was a stinking anti-semite, so it makes one wonder about the choice of inter-war heroes in this country.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-49856823084908082582011-11-16T23:27:38.701+01:002011-11-16T23:27:38.701+01:00But the Polish Yoot didn't put up the stasiu o...But the Polish Yoot didn't put up the stasiu of Dmowski.Z. Zuccottinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-4971544860473615212011-11-16T20:53:00.920+01:002011-11-16T20:53:00.920+01:00Zuccotti - I did a radio programme today with some...Zuccotti - I did a radio programme today with some journalists and they were saying, correctly, that the main political parties here did not arrange to have a march, get supporters involved etc in a celebration of independence, patriotism. So this left a space for extremists to fill. Even Law and Justice did not organise an event - which opened the door to All Polish Yoof etc. <br /><br />Lebowski - :-)beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-43180002227793812012011-11-16T13:06:35.991+01:002011-11-16T13:06:35.991+01:00It does look like something out of a Big Lebowski ...It does look like something out of a Big Lebowski sequel:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AEMiz6rcxcLittle Lebowskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-12114688401982200592011-11-16T00:34:29.906+01:002011-11-16T00:34:29.906+01:00Seems like the German nihilists controlled no mono...Seems like the German nihilists controlled no monopoly on imbecility during or in planning this event. It's so uplifting to stage a march to honor Roman Dmowski? I mean, why the hell is there a statue to that embarrassment to Poland?Z. Zuccottinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-27639443750822981642011-11-15T10:18:22.934+01:002011-11-15T10:18:22.934+01:00Indeed anarchists wear black, but a lot of these g...Indeed anarchists wear black, but a lot of these guys were just thugs, in my opinion, looking for trouble. Not political people at all...and I have some sympathy for the anarchist point of view and political tradition. <br /><br />Hi Jan57. Nice to see you back!<br /><br />It has emerged that many of the German anarchists were halled off a train before it even got to Warsaw. Some got detained at Radom station, I believe, as they were acting "agressivly". So you would think that the cops would meet them at Warsaw station, escort them to whereever they were going - as cops do with football crowds - and contain them that way. <br /><br />The German anarcho wankers did the Polosh authorities a favour, however, as they have become to centre of attention and not the hapless authorities themselves who could have avoided this whole sorry mess if, as many have suggested, the two sides were better kept apart.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.com