tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post1916940953794494269..comments2024-03-20T10:19:56.838+01:00Comments on the beatroot: Poland’s winter of discontentbeatroothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-44154426402376759832022-07-02T11:59:53.610+02:002022-07-02T11:59:53.610+02:00pop over here replica louis vuitton go right her... pop over here <a href="https://www.dolabuy.co/pochette-c-157_158_166/aaa-louis-vuitton-marron-pochette-kirigami-m62034-bag-p-1114.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>replica louis vuitton</strong></a> go right here <a href="https://www.dolabuy.co/dior-c-209_216/best-dior-flat-slipper-aaa-009-p-2110.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>Hermes Dolabuy</strong></a> you could try this out <a href="https://www.dolabuy.co/dior-c-209_216/top-dior-2020-sneaker-shoes-0021-p-2398.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>www.dolabuy.ru</strong></a>mctyslehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13132453270509715900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-55891194677924882592021-04-25T17:28:59.056+02:002021-04-25T17:28:59.056+02:00kyrie 7 shoes
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Frankly I am getting really tired of this condescending attitude...the idea that the great unwashed masses need to be told what is best for them. For me, it goes hand in hand with the CONSTANT appeal to the "civilized countries..." i.e., <BR/>"In civilized countries everyone knows that hospitals that aren't profitable have to go..." "In civilized countries this kind of mess would never happen..."<BR/><BR/>And meanwhile, Italians are literally poisoning themselves with their waste in a return to the 14th century, the Belgians are without a government for months, and France's president is fodder for a daytime drama. I'm not trying to bash those "civilized" countries, but how come they're always such a shining example?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-21458887471816867742008-02-04T16:58:00.000+01:002008-02-04T16:58:00.000+01:00The problem with Polish journalists is that they k...The problem with Polish journalists is that they know better than everyone else how to run the country. If only we would all just shut up and listen to them: lower tax, close unnecessary hospitals, park a Merc in every driveway, learn English, be more European....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-36124942871496077242008-02-04T13:22:00.000+01:002008-02-04T13:22:00.000+01:00Listen, most journalists are from emergingmiddle c...Listen, most journalists are from emergingmiddle class in cities. Platform's support comes from the same place. <BR/><BR/>Quite where a distanced, independant journalism comes into all this is beyong me. In Poland, even trying to be 'balanced; is just laughed at (or so I was told this morning by someone who should know better).<BR/><BR/>So forget balance when reporting politics. Polisj journos not interested.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-78622820072994236022008-02-03T22:15:00.000+01:002008-02-03T22:15:00.000+01:00After watching PIS get hammered by the media for t...After watching PIS get hammered by the media for two years, it's very odd to see Platforma just sliding by without so much as a snark from the medias. My god, with all the strikes going on now, the anti-PIS feeding frenzy would have been overwhelming (oh wait, forgot...actually, according to Janusz Palikot the customs officers strike is a PIS conspiracy.)<BR/><BR/>So anyway, I just find it interesting that Platforma, who got elected because Poles were told every day that the Kaczynskis were embarrassing, and also partly because Poles were told that they would be rich and be able to drive on highways and swim in nice pools, has a virtually identical platform to PIS (after all, what people seem to be unaware of is that these guys come from the same political formation.) Tusk goes to Berlin, bats his eyelashes at Merkel without making any kind of statement of substantial change in policy, and suddenly the Germans love the Poles. Ewa Kopacz is asked about the health crisis, and all she can do is splutter about PIS' incompetency (and that is relevant to her supposed dossier how?). Sikorski has continued with the status quo on approval of US shields. What Kaczynski could never get is that it's all about PR, marketing and rhetoric. If you smile every five seconds and make noises about being European, it doesn't matter if your core policies are the same as your despised predecessors!<BR/><BR/>But I agree with Beatroot that the honeymoon might be ending soon. After all, you can blame PIS for the current state of affairs only so long...or so one would think. I'm just waiting and wondering where the hordes of young people are returning from the UK now that Platforma has made it ok to be Polish again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-53431542585672508692008-01-30T20:18:00.000+01:002008-01-30T20:18:00.000+01:00How do you, and who are you to, derive who is and ...<I>How do you, and who are you to, derive who is and isn't competent ? What is your special formula? <BR/></I><BR/><BR/>I knew human sciences in academia were in bad shape nowadays but I didn't expect to be <I>that</I> bad. <BR/><BR/>I strongly suggest you make that point to your boss during the next performance review. You will receive a detailed reply, entitled "grounds for termination". <BR/><BR/>The politicians, like any other paid workers, should be judged only on how they complete the assigned tasks. And their performance is such that they wouldn't finish a trial period on a normal job. Remember, we're a democracy. I pay their salary, so I demand results. <BR/><BR/>(Side note: I recommend BR to write a post about our dear ex-representatives who cannot find a job after leaving the parliament, and demand state support. I guess that inability to find a job is the best testimony to their alleged competence).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-83544973999423594992008-01-30T01:11:00.000+01:002008-01-30T01:11:00.000+01:00BTW, looking over at despair.com for the first tim...BTW, looking over at despair.com for the first time in a while (haven't felt the need to get so inspired for awhile), I came across a t-shirt that reads "More people have read this t-shirt than your blog."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-75834514291649325572008-01-30T01:08:00.000+01:002008-01-30T01:08:00.000+01:00He had the evidence, ignored it, and then lied abo...He had the evidence, ignored it, and then lied about it.<BR/><BR/>He's one of the the most hopeless SOBs I've ever come across in my life.<BR/><BR/>He's a fucking malfunctioning robot incapable of thinking or feeling anything... who's programmed by Cheney et.al.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-25446343955654326362008-01-30T01:01:00.000+01:002008-01-30T01:01:00.000+01:00No evidence. Only hope. And a feeling.Oh, no! That...<I>No evidence. Only hope. And a feeling.</I><BR/><BR/>Oh, no! That is exactly the type of thing that Bush says!!!!! Ahhhhhhbeatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-79813956231450431742008-01-30T00:48:00.000+01:002008-01-30T00:48:00.000+01:00No evidence. Only hope. And a feeling. Without h...No evidence. Only hope. And a feeling. Without hope and feeling, there's only mindnumbing neon buzzing static and despair. But I'm used to it by now. Nobody who I can relate to ever said that Billary wouldn't/won't be such a warmonger. Maybe a political movement of some decency can grow if some hope is given a chance. King could only dream in the context of the Kennedy years (and certainly they were warmongers up to a point in time). What's Obama's dream? I can't see into his heart of hearts but my intellect and feelings tell me he holds at least a smidgeon of promise for something a helluva lot better than I've experienced most of my life. Then again, he won't even get the nod so it's back to www.despair.com (a real website with lots of "inspirational" posters that would prolly sell real well in Poland with the appropriate translations).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-34881727456020163772008-01-30T00:20:00.000+01:002008-01-30T00:20:00.000+01:00So maybe in some sense, image can be just as impor...<I>So maybe in some sense, image can be just as important as substance.</I><BR/><BR/>Geez, where is any evidence that substance will follow the style? Where is the political movement that could feed him? He has been compared to Martin Luther King! Amazing. King was the head of a brave and radical movement. <BR/><BR/>And what's Obama got? He 'won't be such a warmonger'? They said that about Clinton.<BR/><BR/>MLK 'had a dream'. What is Obama's? To get elected?beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-29109494411063325372008-01-30T00:19:00.000+01:002008-01-30T00:19:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-77502540936440559772008-01-29T21:21:00.000+01:002008-01-29T21:21:00.000+01:00There may have been a groundswell of youthful poli...There may have been a groundswell of youthful political radicalism in your parts but I think it's been blown way out of proportion vis-a-vis the US (which is why he-who-should-not-be-named is such a riot).<BR/><BR/>Radicalism in Poland? Not sure to what that really amounted. Seems it needs to be oppositional to the powers that be. So I guess Solidarnosc was very radical in that sense. And nowadays I think certain aspects of Catholicism are very radical in all times and all places.<BR/><BR/>I'm kinda thrilled about and for the young ones around Obama these days. It's amazing to see so many young black and white faces rallying together. It will be interesting to see if the American Ajrysz will go the Kennedy way in supporting him.<BR/><BR/>I don't expect him to change anything all that much in terms of a domestic agenda but I do think he won't be so much the warmonger as Hillary Clinton and any of the others. And his being black and having a Muslim name will mean something good in terms of the American image abroad. So maybe in some sense, image can be just as important as substance. Maybe substance will follow image. Most importantly, it would be nice for me not to have to feel so damned guilty and ashamed for how my tax dollars are spent. But being pessimistic, I think Hillary will win the Dem nod and go against McCain. I will have a hard time deciding what to do in that situation. I'd like to think that McCain won't be so wont to indulge in new wars since he experienced war, but things he says give me the creeps. Same, of course, with Billary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-56903972641467466772008-01-29T20:56:00.000+01:002008-01-29T20:56:00.000+01:00Geez - it's true: students - and I am talking abou...Geez - it's true: students - and I am talking about students, but there was a militant trade unionism from where I come from, and young people were involved that way too - are much less political. Hardly a shock: what is there left to believe in for these kids: Obama and his mysterious 'change' thing (what does that guy mean?) and environmentalism, which is not a progressive worldview at all: it's reactionary, backward.<BR/><BR/>Jan<BR/><I>and not by virtue of any broad groundswell of Thatcherite sentiment in Poland.</I><BR/><BR/>This is the vital point: all the parties here don't have widespread support with any kind of real social base, or ideological underpinning. They are just election machines, that break down more often than his dad's old Polonez.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-40905830931311558472008-01-29T20:51:00.000+01:002008-01-29T20:51:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-32558059394856284242008-01-29T20:33:00.000+01:002008-01-29T20:33:00.000+01:00I can't say I'm disappointed (yet) in PO because I...I can't say I'm disappointed (yet) in PO because I didn't expect much.<BR/><BR/>I was just glad that the Kaczynsk small-minded living-in-the-past agenda of revenge and isolation are slowed and the worst lunatic fringes (LPR, SO) are discredited and in disarray.<BR/><BR/>Of course PO is hamstrung by the fact that they won the election by not being the Kaczynskis (who'd made the fatal mistake of embarrassing the country in international eyes) and not by virtue of any broad groundswell of Thatcherite sentiment in Poland.michael farrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10232229721381140090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-49808725510987843062008-01-29T20:07:00.000+01:002008-01-29T20:07:00.000+01:00My geberation are the first to wish kids were MORE...<I>My geberation are the first to wish kids were MORE radical than they are.</I><BR/><BR/>M-M-My Generation? Do you really believe the generation coming of age in the late 60s and early 70s was universally all that politically radical?<BR/><BR/>My sense of what's "radical," politically and culturally, has changed a lot since back in the day, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-44354941433425777172008-01-29T18:59:00.000+01:002008-01-29T18:59:00.000+01:00And Jan. All the great politicians in the past in ...And Jan. All the great politicians in the past in Britain never had any university degrees - but they did have a fire in their belly to change the society they lived in. I am thinking of people like Nye Bevan.<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aneurin_Bevanbeatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-25821233837818440922008-01-29T18:55:00.000+01:002008-01-29T18:55:00.000+01:00Jola, sorry you are correct, but why bring up univ...Jola, sorry you are correct, but why bring up universities in the first place, then? <BR/><BR/>And students, these days, are the last place I would look for to find a politician. Have you noticed that uni students these days the most apolitical bunch of wooses? <BR/><BR/>My geberation - the one before that one - are the first to wish kids were MORE radical than they are.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-57316202116233831402008-01-29T18:50:00.000+01:002008-01-29T18:50:00.000+01:00Beatroot said: “What has having a university degre...Beatroot said: “What has having a university degreee got to do with being a good politician?” <BR/><BR/>You’re right, nothing if your plan is never to get elected. But the bullshit ends shortly after you get into power. Now you’re at the helm and being fed endless reams of data on the economy, the nations geopolitical situation and security needs……..there’s a need to comprehend. Also to have the analytical skills to appoint appropriate managers and technocrats to move a vision into the realm of physical reality.<BR/><BR/>Lech Walesa was a poster boy for the dilemma, on one hand he had the ability to communicate and influence the working masses as very few could but once in power was greatly frustrated by being out of his depth because of a limited education.<BR/><BR/>What’s the point of politics or a battle of ideas if the ultimate goal is not to change the physical condition of the nation whether that be liberating an enslaved people or improving the material condition of the people?<BR/><BR/>When you look at Poland you can’t help but to ask where are the statesmen?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-39338503133418933812008-01-29T17:36:00.000+01:002008-01-29T17:36:00.000+01:00Jola, you criticized the Beatroot for criticizing ...Jola, you criticized the Beatroot for criticizing Civic Platform for being *incompetent*.<BR/><BR/>You chose to base your criticism on defining and proceeding from the word *competent* as defined in one particular dictionary. A bit of an echo from your previous post here, but "how do you, and who are you to, derive who is and isn't competent" to properly define competence or incompetence?<BR/><BR/>Here are some other definitions of competent I have found in various dictionaries:<BR/><BR/>Adept; capable; suitably skilled, able to successfully perform a particular task.<BR/><BR/>Do you really think Lech Walesa was a competent politician?<BR/><BR/>I think it's important to consider competent in terms of what.<BR/><BR/>In winning elections?<BR/><BR/>In putting forward and successfully implementing a particular agenda?<BR/><BR/>What if that agenda doesn't serve the common good and how do we consider the common good?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-69819267841908871692008-01-29T16:17:00.000+01:002008-01-29T16:17:00.000+01:00Geez said:"The point here is that you based your w...Geez said:<BR/><BR/><I>"The point here is that you based your whole argument on defining the wrong word."</I><BR/><BR/>Wrong, I didn't. The Word 'competence' has indeed been defined correctly. Go the the provided link and perform a search for the word.<BR/><BR/>Are you competent?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Beatroot said:<BR/><BR/>"<I>"What has having a university degreee got to do with being a good politician? You are falling into the technocratic thinking that is the problem with politics at the moment."</I><BR/><BR/>A university degree has nothing to do with being a good politican. Haven't you read my earlier post fully? You obviously haven't read the entire post. I stated: <BR/><BR/><I>"However, does it take an educated individual to be a good politician? Not in all cases. Lech Walesa didn't have a higher education, yet he was a decent politician and statesman."</I><BR/><BR/>That statement speaks for itself. The fact that Lech Walesa didn't have a university degree and was a good politician only proves the degree isn't important. That was the point I made. So Beatroot, I don't know what you are getting at.<BR/><BR/>Jola SomerfeldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-56374485988898122712008-01-29T13:31:00.000+01:002008-01-29T13:31:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-54350382987300442372008-01-29T13:30:00.000+01:002008-01-29T13:30:00.000+01:00PSWhat has having a university degreee got to do w...PS<BR/>What has having a university degreee got to do with being a good politician? You are falling into the technocratic thinking that is the problem with politics at the moment. Give me someone with some interesting ideas and is inspirational and I will show you a good politician. Politics is not about managers and technocrats – it’s about the battle of ideas and winning support for them. And you don’t need a uni degree to do that.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.com