tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post1448873406465906354..comments2024-03-20T10:19:56.838+01:00Comments on the beatroot: Poland has no friendsbeatroothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-35279524686393582622007-05-16T15:09:00.000+02:002007-05-16T15:09:00.000+02:00Isn't Edyta Gorniak part gypsy? Exactly. She was c...<I>Isn't Edyta Gorniak part gypsy? </I><BR/><BR/>Exactly. She was claiming that last year, I think. This would support Sonia's theory. But Sonia is wrong on the general thrust of 'her' point. It's the mix of black with white (jazz, soul, gospel are originated after slaves heard protestant church song, liked them but sang them with a bit of swing) that is crucial to great music. It's when cultures collide and make new cultures that innovation occurs. <BR/><BR/>Amen.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-77586653764071705482007-05-15T23:45:00.000+02:002007-05-15T23:45:00.000+02:00Hi there'Eurovision is nothing to do with music'Yo...Hi there<BR/><BR/>'Eurovision is nothing to do with music'<BR/><BR/>Your right there mate :-)<BR/><BR/>Over the years - it has become along standing national joke:-(<BR/><BR/>All about voting and siding with the neighbours<BR/><BR/>But in the *BIG* scheme of things?<BR/><BR/>Is it important?<BR/><BR/>bfn<BR/>Issie -Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-19773591802904266422007-05-15T17:14:00.000+02:002007-05-15T17:14:00.000+02:00no good music in lily-white Utah or VermontBluegra...<I>no good music in lily-white Utah or Vermont</I><BR/><BR/>Bluegrass and folk. Different strokes for different folks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-56911132866576220752007-05-15T17:13:00.000+02:002007-05-15T17:13:00.000+02:00Isn't Edyta Gorniak part gypsy?Isn't Edyta Gorniak part gypsy?michael farrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10232229721381140090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-22243461320097475882007-05-15T16:46:00.000+02:002007-05-15T16:46:00.000+02:00Eurovision is nothing to do with music. And as for...Eurovision is nothing to do with music. <BR/><BR/>And as for Gypsies wanting to come to Poland? Most, like in Czech, moved out to Sweden years ago.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-27904200747318891302007-05-15T16:31:00.000+02:002007-05-15T16:31:00.000+02:00Yes, Sonia, even music can be politics (art tends ...Yes, Sonia, even music can be politics (art tends to become so)- so even this festival, and it had a very idiotic system of voting the favorites. AS for the Romas, Eastern Europe is the last place they should lust for.Agneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14427327588753930703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-31191119665592275242007-05-15T13:02:00.000+02:002007-05-15T13:02:00.000+02:00Are you talking about music or electoral politics ...Are you talking about music or electoral politics ?<BR/><BR/>Songs win because of the quality of music, not political chauvinism. Traditionally, the Balkans have the largest Gypsy population in Europe and therefore the best music in Europe. (Like US, the larger the black population, the better the music - no good music in lily-white Utah or Vermont).<BR/><BR/>White men can't jump, gadjos can't sing. If Poland wants to win song contest, they should encourage more Gypsies to come to Poland... like Kansas City became the capital of jazz in the 1930's by inviting blacks from New Orleans to come...soniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00938174968325568608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-61318368722166633962007-05-15T12:53:00.000+02:002007-05-15T12:53:00.000+02:00It's also the voting system: a country has a limit...It's also the voting system: a country has a limited number of votes. What was Yugoslavia once, became Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, etc: with Serbs in all, i.r. x number of Serbs in X+y countries means more votes than X Serbs in one or two countries. (The rest had mostly the immigration to vote, that in the case of Romania, ex Yugoslavia, Ussr is a very high number again, and again in several countries.) Let alone that the girl seemed good, and her song...trendy or how to put it. Ballads and nations, the new fashion.Agneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14427327588753930703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-76065802317784177682007-05-15T05:09:00.000+02:002007-05-15T05:09:00.000+02:00Cheap? Inherently miserly?Strange, sad, and silly...Cheap? Inherently miserly?<BR/><BR/>Strange, sad, and silly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-67359405751120883012007-05-14T23:51:00.000+02:002007-05-14T23:51:00.000+02:00Abomination is a strong word, the British entry wa...Abomination is a strong word, the British entry was one of the few with a recognisable hook. I even didn't hate the cheesy presentation which reminded me of a variety show from the 1960's.<BR/><BR/>And it was almost in good taste, at least compared with the Armenian guy with the bleeding chest, the freaky operatic vocalising goth chick from Slovenia or the Latvian zombie tenors. But the UK doesn't have many friends or voting expats, at least they weren't stuck with null points like a few years ago.<BR/><BR/>I think that expat Poles are just too cheap to vote (and anytime anything in Poland can be explained by inherent miserliness that's the explanation I tend to go for first).michael farrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10232229721381140090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-38233330661760069452007-05-14T22:54:00.000+02:002007-05-14T22:54:00.000+02:00The UK entry was, as usual, an abomination and an ...The UK entry was, as usual, an abomination and an insult to our fine tradition of popular music. The Brits are second only to the US for contemporary music (we used to be as good as them) and all we can produce is an in flight safety video. Rrrrrrubbish. It's all Blair's fault, of course.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-7730639462459676152007-05-14T22:44:00.000+02:002007-05-14T22:44:00.000+02:00And so it goes, year after year. Unfortunately, ev...And so it goes, year after year. Unfortunately, even with the eastern European in-built bias, nobody seems to want to vote for poor old Poland. Does nobody love the Poles?<BR/><BR/>Of course we do:-)<BR/><BR/>Nobody liked the English entry - me included it was very tacky!!<BR/><BR/>bfn<BR/>IssieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-65816686404870527402007-05-14T15:30:00.000+02:002007-05-14T15:30:00.000+02:00hi beatroot, my fist post. You haven't mentioned t...hi beatroot, my fist post. You haven't mentioned that voting is now dictated to some extent by international migration. Ireland voted for Lithuania, Germany for Turkey (again), Estonia for Russia, Turkey for Armenia (which means there are lots more Armenians in Turkey than Ankara says). spain voted for Ukraine and Romanians because there are thousans of Ukranians and Romanians in Spain.<BR/><BR/>If the British took Eurovision seriously then FRance and Spain might give the UK some points. <BR/><BR/>Howwever, as you say, the problem of Poland undermines my theory. Did Poles in the UK and Ireland vote for Poland in the first round. We don't know. If they did, it wasn't enough. <BR/><BR/>But yes, Poland, like Hungary, historically has few firends in Europe, and is seen as the imperial power by its neighbours (Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, Russia).<BR/><BR/>It of course hells to have a decent song.newshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00979602717062926805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-8333291659469487882007-05-14T11:38:00.000+02:002007-05-14T11:38:00.000+02:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-4400964381181414312007-05-14T06:48:00.000+02:002007-05-14T06:48:00.000+02:00Poland didn't win because the lead singer wasn't e...Poland didn't win because the lead singer wasn't even Polish! Aren't there any male Polish singers in Poland?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-25415823192069396352007-05-14T01:14:00.000+02:002007-05-14T01:14:00.000+02:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-13832889663577872192007-05-13T23:56:00.000+02:002007-05-13T23:56:00.000+02:00Other America's Most Wanted: Ted Kaczynski, John W...Other America's Most Wanted: Ted Kaczynski, John Wayne Gacy, Richard Kuklinski...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-30507503358262911192007-05-13T22:36:00.000+02:002007-05-13T22:36:00.000+02:00America´s most wanted:http://www.amw.com/fugitives...America´s most wanted:<BR/><BR/>http://www.amw.com/fugitives/video_photos.cfm?id=31704&video_id=313&quality=highAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-26999533308564899472007-05-13T20:22:00.000+02:002007-05-13T20:22:00.000+02:00Once in a lifetime is its English title, indeed. A...Once in a lifetime is its English title, indeed. And then she sang the POlish National anthem like she thought she was Witney Huston. Oh, dear...<BR/><BR/>Opamp<BR/><I>The problem is that the voting system makes absolutely no sense --</I><BR/><BR/>I bet Kaczki think that. They see it as the same conspiracy as the EU Treaty voting system. I reckon that the POlish government is formulating, as we speak, a new 'slimmed down' Eurovision Song Contest, with proper weighting for large population countries...oh, and a mention of Christianity in the opening credits.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-71969530925958230172007-05-13T19:53:00.000+02:002007-05-13T19:53:00.000+02:00As spokesman for the Ministry of Pedantic Twittery...As spokesman for the Ministry of Pedantic Twittery, I would like to remind our audience that while "To nie ja" might be translated as "That wasn't me", the English-langauge version of the song was called "Once in a lifetime".michael farrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10232229721381140090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-36380476169949395512007-05-13T15:15:00.000+02:002007-05-13T15:15:00.000+02:00Polish diva Edyta Gorniak sung ‘That’s not me’ and...<I>Polish diva Edyta Gorniak sung ‘That’s not me’ and came in second – probably as a result of a sympathy vote.</I><BR/><BR/>Could also because "That's not me" is actually a pretty decent song in itself. Especially compared to what is commonly seen on Eurovision. <BR/><BR/><I>All the western European countries are equally isolated </I><BR/><BR/>The problem is that the voting system makes absolutely no sense -- i.e. the vote of Malta has the same weight as that of Russia. It results in the Balkans comprising of many small and similarly voting countries heavily skewing the results. <BR/><BR/>(But, when Scotland secedes from UK, the UK's chance of winning will increase!)<BR/><BR/>I also believe that the vote is mainly political, but it could also be simply that people in similar countries have similar musical tastes. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, this contest should have been put to rest after the last year...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-11006590365293102412007-05-13T10:11:00.000+02:002007-05-13T10:11:00.000+02:00It won the contest, by the way...It won the contest, by the way...beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-67523233978072865902007-05-13T10:10:00.000+02:002007-05-13T10:10:00.000+02:00International crap English...? My favourite is fro...International crap English...? <BR/><BR/>My favourite is from the Dutch entry, 1975. It\s called Ding a dong...<BR/><BR/><I>When you feelin' alright, everything is up-tight <BR/>Try to sing a song that goes ding ding-a-dong <BR/>There will be no sorrow when you sing tomorrow <BR/>And you walk along with your ding-dang-dong <BR/><BR/>Ding-a-dong every hour, when you pick a flower <BR/>Even when your lover is gone, gone, gone <BR/>Ding-a-dong, listen to it, maybe it's a big hit <BR/>Even when your lover is gone, gone, gone <BR/>Sing ding-ding-dong </I><BR/><BR/>They don;t make em like that anymore...beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-10156520628009341352007-05-13T10:09:00.000+02:002007-05-13T10:09:00.000+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-90014862361108926842007-05-13T10:03:00.000+02:002007-05-13T10:03:00.000+02:00Eurovision is a one-of-a-kind freak culture event,...Eurovision is a one-of-a-kind freak culture event, a trainwreck of bad taste and bad music and a triumph of connections over talent and regionalism over unification ... and I love it dearly (though I've never actually voted and don't intend to).<BR/><BR/>It's not widely known, but Cyprus _not_ awarding 12 points to Greece is the fourth sign of the apocalypse...<BR/><BR/>My new favorite moment every year now is the pained expression of Maciej Orłoś as he announces the results of Polish voting, which he is clearly appalled by, comedy gold.<BR/><BR/>Poland's second best finish was the first time Ich Troje appeared, with a very respectable top ten finish (somewhere around 7th?).<BR/><BR/>Poland didn't get out of qualifying this year because the song and performance was nothing special (the song sounded like it was cribbed from Cristina Aguilera and the performance was on the level b-list disco polo).<BR/><BR/>National and regional loyalties aside, more often than not the live audience reaction is a clue* The live audience in Finland was as quiet and still as a bunch of rocks during Poland's performance and tore off the roof for Serbia. I knew then that Poland wouldn't progress and I had a hunch that Serbia would win (songs from qualifying often do well because the tv audience is more familiar with them).<BR/><BR/>And as these things go, the winning song this year was actually okay. Not a strong melody but a great committed performance by a visually intriguing performer set off by minimalist presentation (not a eurovision hallmark). And it was nice to hear someone singing in their first language rather than international crap english.michael farrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10232229721381140090noreply@blogger.com