tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post113576760735267112..comments2024-03-20T10:19:56.838+01:00Comments on the beatroot: Polish troops to stay longer in Iraqbeatroothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-28753662394748859142012-01-03T21:15:13.676+01:002012-01-03T21:15:13.676+01:00That was really interesting to read!That was really interesting to read!Amelida make extra money onlinehttp://www.makemoneyideeas.webatu.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-41131901436955036882011-10-05T11:41:44.593+02:002011-10-05T11:41:44.593+02:00It won't succeed as a matter of fact, that'...It won't succeed as a matter of fact, that's exactly what I think.como funciona seohttp://seositeden.blogspot.com/2011/09/que-es-seo-y-como-funciona.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-65530219621762504372009-09-11T19:32:10.633+02:002009-09-11T19:32:10.633+02:00Hi there
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Ah well.. it takes all kinds.Bicyclemarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08523524944263807244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1135943581566802132005-12-30T12:53:00.000+01:002005-12-30T12:53:00.000+01:00:-) Happy New Year to the three of you at polblog!...:-) Happy New Year to the three of you at polblog! (polblog grew in human assets this year by one third due to birth of a baby!).beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1135896170323434932005-12-29T23:42:00.000+01:002005-12-29T23:42:00.000+01:00opps! you're right, i lost my nuance on that one.....opps! you're right, i lost my nuance on that one...shame on me...<BR/><BR/>and, yes, it was a silly thing to say -- especially your creative, or journalistic license with the phrase...because it's only half true...<BR/><BR/>but wait, what do you mean by 'liberation'?~JShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04318349312539399227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1135879461057992952005-12-29T19:04:00.000+01:002005-12-29T19:04:00.000+01:00JS said: "You have no problem using moaist phrases...JS said: "<B>You have no problem using moaist phrases to justify your opinions? isn't that a bit ironic? maybe a little snippet from mein kampf next?"</B><BR/><BR/>JS, can you notice the difference between these sentences:<BR/><BR/>"<I>Power comes from the barrel of a gun</I>," (Chairman Mao)<BR/><BR/>"<I>To abuse a Maoist phrase - liberation cannot come from the barrel of a foreign liberators gun.</I>" (the beatroot) <BR/><BR/>That was a silly thing to say, now wasn't it?beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1135849712171397162005-12-29T10:48:00.000+01:002005-12-29T10:48:00.000+01:00And thank you for great comments. You mention that...And thank you for great comments. <BR/><BR/>You mention that the anti-homophobic marches show that when Poles don't like something they protest it. <BR/><BR/>But the marches you refer to are very small...the biggest one was in Warsaw in June that got maybe 2 - 3 thousand people. <BR/><BR/>The anti-war marches here never get half that amount, inspite of the fact that most Poles are against the war. <BR/><BR/>The culture of this country still lacks the idea of a participatory democracy - people think that politics is something that happens on the television. The membership of NGOs here is one of the lowest in Europe. <BR/><BR/>When Poles do start to take control of the political process here then that will be a massive step in the nation's modernisation. <BR/><BR/>Until then people will moan about corruption, the war, etc, but do nothing about it. <BR/><BR/>But thank you for coming to the beatroot and can I point people to kurczeblade.pl - a great site in Polish.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1135809718422166712005-12-28T23:41:00.000+01:002005-12-28T23:41:00.000+01:00So the watch is the oil? And the jerk is the coali...So the watch is the oil? And the jerk is the coalition'? Is the river Iraq? <BR/><BR/>What if the guy wasn't drowning, he was trying to kill himself because he couldn't afford to keep up the payments for the watch? :-)<BR/><BR/>I agree with you that getting rid of Saddam was a good thing. But I don't believe that it was anyone's business, or right, to get rid of him apart from the Iraqis themselves. <BR/><BR/>I know that the opposition to that regume was weak and fragmented and the only spokespeople for it were a few dodgy exiles who fed Bush and co the type of stuff about WMD etc that they wanted to hear. And more fool them for believing Chalabi etc. <BR/><BR/>And I know that there were no signs that anyone was going to topple saddam in the forseable future. <BR/><BR/>But I was at university in the late 1980's doing a degree studying social change. amd i was looking at all the sociogists who specialised in the Soviet bloc. Not one of them - not one - foresaw the Round Talks in 1989 and then the fall of the Berlin Wall and so on. And I finished that course 1987 - only 2 years before the whole thing came coming down.<BR/><BR/>Justifying the invasion on the spurious (and belated) humanitarian angle of 'liberating the Iraqis' demonstrates a contempt for iraqis, a complete disregard for their right to self determination and national sovereignty. And we cannot predict the future. <BR/><BR/>And no, I didn't suppport the invasion of Afghanistan either. <BR/><BR/>Yes, the Taliban were a nightmare. But they were just one group many forces that fought the Soviets. They were unusual in that they were funded by the Pakistanis - most of the others werer supplied by the US. <BR/><BR/>The Taliban moved into Kabul and mainly southeatern areas after a period of chaos after the Soviets withdrew. It was only a matter of time before another group would force the Taliban from power...that's what Afghanistan is like. Always has been.<BR/><BR/>And the Poles have not supported the invasion of Iraq - never did, do not now. The politicians certainly are falling over themselves to look like good new members of NATO, but the people just are not that interested. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Oh, and enough of the personal comments, please.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1135792615014271702005-12-28T18:56:00.000+01:002005-12-28T18:56:00.000+01:00why can't intelligent people have nuance? you have...why can't intelligent people have nuance? <BR/><BR/>you have no problem using moaist phrases to justify your opinions? isn't that a bit ironic? maybe a little snippet from mein kampf next?...and how long should the world have waited until afghanistan got rid of those black-and-whiters, aka the taliban, all by themselves?<BR/><BR/>for centuries we have seen the consequences of black/white vision -- today we sometimes call these people fundamentalists, or terrorists...<BR/><BR/>peter, the emotional role of the photo you selected for this article is not lost on me -- why of all photos would you select that photo? i suppose it couldn't be one of saddam and his thugs on trial or the 11 million iraqi voters...and why not? because we have lost nuance on this issue...<BR/><BR/>if you search the blogopshere for iraqi blogs, you will find a bit more nuance than your post portrays...<BR/><BR/>for example here is one: http://iraqivote.blogspot.com/2005/12/what-day.html<BR/><BR/>i guess that in order for your "bush-blair screwed everything up" narrative to work, it must exclude any hint of doubt -- even in the face of positive outcomes -- it's simply ashame...<BR/><BR/>today among educated, and what have been called the clictivist journalists, nuance has been lost...to the shame of a really serious and constructive discussion...<BR/><BR/>and on this particular issue, sorry mate, but poland is on the right side of history...supporting iraq is the right thing to do, despite how polarized we are regarding how it all happened...<BR/><BR/>i hope you truly get what i mean here...even if you disagree...~JShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04318349312539399227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1135773306264402432005-12-28T13:35:00.000+01:002005-12-28T13:35:00.000+01:00It is altogether a different case(and US troops ar...It is altogether a different case(and US troops are still in Japan, much to the horror of the Japanese). <BR/><BR/>Many in the anti-war movement go on about the war being driven by 'Oil' etc. But when I look at those dummies in Washington and London I don;t see a political class with enough purpose and direction as that. Bush and Blair <I>did</I> believe that Iraqis would run out into the street beinging gifts and flowers to their 'liberators'. They did think there were WMD is Iraq. <BR/><BR/>Neither turnmed out to be the case. The political class in the West are without direction and cannot even form moral coaltions at home. So they use Iraq and the "War on Terror' as a way of making themselves look like the 'good guys' as opposed to those nasty bad people 'over there'.<BR/><BR/>Amd thousands have died and a country has been wrecked because of their ignorance amd incompetence. <BR/><BR/>I think that is criminal.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1135772328105709042005-12-28T13:18:00.000+01:002005-12-28T13:18:00.000+01:00But what are the goodies? Washington can't even br...But what are the goodies? Washington can't even bring itself to give visa-free travel to Poles...which is quite an insult.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1135770966694113282005-12-28T12:56:00.000+01:002005-12-28T12:56:00.000+01:00Surely Poland will get a decent batch of goodies f...Surely Poland will get a decent batch of goodies from the U.S. in exchange for leaving 900 soldiers behind? I've always seen Poland's presence as an investment, although I'm not sure what the return on that investment has been.Michael M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01150688197735052725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1135769467434392492005-12-28T12:31:00.000+01:002005-12-28T12:31:00.000+01:00I did mean civil society. There was a decent sized...I did mean civil society. There was a decent sized and educated middle class, there was a civil service (although it was completly dependant on the baathists). I am not arguing for one second that this was not a very nasty dictatorship. My argument has always been that - to abuse a Maoist phrase - liberation cannot come from the barrel of a foreign liberators gun. It just makes things worse.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.com