tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post8144528977282401819..comments2024-03-20T10:19:56.838+01:00Comments on the beatroot: Beware ye supporters of the right to choose…beatroothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-12939584908030489772007-05-13T12:50:00.000+02:002007-05-13T12:50:00.000+02:00In their own way. A bit messy, too. Doesn't seem ...In their own way. A bit messy, too. Doesn't seem like any fun at all for the females. So when you're eating caviar....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-46849829423655377562007-05-13T10:56:00.000+02:002007-05-13T10:56:00.000+02:00Do fish fuck?Do fish fuck?beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-14022842898112008172007-05-13T01:09:00.000+02:002007-05-13T01:09:00.000+02:00Why do the British drink water?Fish fuck in it.Why do the British drink water?<BR/><BR/>Fish fuck in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1661275598533850942007-05-12T17:28:00.000+02:002007-05-12T17:28:00.000+02:00That's it. Prawns are dredgers...they hoover up al...That's it. Prawns are dredgers...they hoover up all the other fishes do-do off the bottom of the ocean.<BR/><BR/>So why then do Jews - like Poles, and central Europeans in general, eat....CARP....ahhhhjrrrrghgrh ....they hoover up fish shit too, you know?beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-91984686681123153762007-05-12T16:09:00.000+02:002007-05-12T16:09:00.000+02:00Perhaps you can explain where and how a nomad livi...<I>Perhaps you can explain where and how a nomad living in the desert would find shellfish?</I><BR/><BR/>Easy. This was in a Mediterranean region, so shellfish would be importable from the coastal areas. Or, a Jew who wandered into a coastal region could encounter shellfish there. Etc. And from the Wikipedia article on shellfish:<BR/><BR/><I>Jewish Kosher Law traditions forbid the eating of shellfish. A rational basis taken up by some nonreligious people is the tendency of some shellfish to feed on waste or accumulate heavy metals or toxins in their tissues. Another is that some of these dishes are consumed raw (oysters, mussels, clams and shrimp, most notably) and have the potential to cause serious illness from shellfish poisoning. Some people suffer from potentially-fatal allergies to shellfish.</I><BR/><BR/>(Interesting tidbit: some recommend that if you find yourself in an exotic place in the world and you have doubts about safety of local food, try finding Kosher food. It is guaranteed to be reasonably safe). <BR/><BR/><I>And if we're supposed to be following only NT rules, how come figs are for sale openly in every market in Poland? </I><BR/><BR/>First, is there "thou shalt not eat figs" provision somewhere in the NT? Second, modern Christians (Catholics included) do not take Bible literally, so we believe that the story about the fig tree is in there to make a certain point, and not to prohibit the eating of figs. Jesus' teaching was all about morality and not about eating habits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-66670321714335404372007-05-12T09:06:00.000+02:002007-05-12T09:06:00.000+02:00Of course, it is unfair to pick on the bible/torah...Of course, it is unfair to pick on the bible/torah…These are old documents written at a time when people thought some very strange things. The idea that the world was only 5,000 yrs old and was made at the same time as the sun and all the other bits of the universe must have seemed quite reasonable (though I don’t get this obsession with shellfish).<BR/> <BR/>And anyway – the bible could have been...the Koran.<BR/><BR/><I>"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance):... " </I><BR/><BR/>So guys – if your woman is getting stroppy<BR/>a) tell them off “You naughty bad woman”<BR/>b) If that doesn’t work, go sleep on the coach<BR/>c) And if that doesn’t work, well...beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-7844135033645714912007-05-12T08:59:00.000+02:002007-05-12T08:59:00.000+02:00I'm with JC on the fig issue. Nasty litle bastards...I'm with JC on the fig issue. Nasty litle bastards.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-11786318733995329162007-05-12T05:41:00.000+02:002007-05-12T05:41:00.000+02:00Figgin hej Harry. It was a fig tree He flipped out...Figgin hej Harry. It was a fig tree He flipped out at, not at figs. I have no doubt JC loved figs. Sweet and good to eat. The fig tree was a metaphor for... Don't know? Can't guess? Read the Good Book. Or try the hated Wikipedia if you can't figure it out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-5637623509816613522007-05-12T04:26:00.000+02:002007-05-12T04:26:00.000+02:00opamp said... It's so much fun to ridicule all the...<I>opamp said... <BR/>It's so much fun to ridicule all these Leviticus rules. Of course if you researched it you would have known that they are mostly hygienic and public order rules given for the specific conditions of nomadic living in the desert.</I><BR/><BR/>Perhaps you can explain where and how a nomad living in the desert would find shellfish?<BR/><BR/>And if we're supposed to be following only NT rules, how come figs are for sale openly in every market in Poland? Jesus hates figs. Read the Good Book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-76810586745601382272007-05-12T03:35:00.000+02:002007-05-12T03:35:00.000+02:00Thing is there are Catholics (who accuse other Cat...Thing is there are Catholics (who accuse other Catholics of being Cafeteria Catholics) who still harken back to this-or-that tidbit of the OT to "definitively prove" their arguments about this-or-that in the modern world. <BR/><BR/>Whatever's convenient. If it's not convenient, fuhgitaboudit. Seems to be very similar vis-a-vis branches of Judaism.<BR/><BR/>Orthodox are in a snit about Conservative Jews reinterpreting Torah passages about homosexuality these days.<BR/><BR/>And I wouldn't know where to find a turtle dove or a partridge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-16802490942411277342007-05-12T00:31:00.000+02:002007-05-12T00:31:00.000+02:00Geez,12:8 If [the woman] cannot afford a sheep, sh...Geez,<BR/><BR/><I>12:8 If [the woman] cannot afford a sheep, she shall bring two turtle doves</I><BR/><BR/>is a mistranslation. Scholars widely accept nowadays that it should actually read:<BR/><BR/><I>If [the woman] cannot afford a sheep, she shall bring two turtle doves, and a partridge in a pear tree</I><BR/><BR/>One theory is that the latter 'real' {actually I just made it up} version preempts 'The Twelve Days of Christmas' offering and may very well have been stolen by the author of them loveable though unrememberable - that is, when your drunk at a party and expected to sing it - litany of verses. <BR/><BR/>The partridge - a rather fat bird -symbolises Christ {albeit yet to be born as re. OT} and the pear tree the cross. One hypothesis I've read about is that the gifts were originally a mnemonic used by English Catholics to secretly teach the faith to their children during the period when the Catholic faith was illegal in England. <BR/><BR/>Anyhow, that's trivia - my point is, remind your wife, next time she seeks atonement, to purchase some partridges at your local pet shop next time.<BR/><BR/>P.S. All the above is a joke. Just thought I would clarify in case anybody gets angry, offended, and loses some sleep over my blatant misquoting of OT scripture. Suffice to say if you are a strict adherent, then you can comfort yourself with the knowledge that I will blisteringly burn till kingdom come for my stupid irreligious remarks.Damien Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15814470741668910052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-12925680480537668842007-05-11T22:47:00.000+02:002007-05-11T22:47:00.000+02:00It's so much fun to ridicule all these Leviticus ...It's so much fun to ridicule all these Leviticus rules. Of course if you researched it you would have known that they are mostly hygienic and public order rules given for the specific conditions of nomadic living in the desert. But hey, this is so much fun!<BR/><BR/>Not to even mention that Christians don't have to obey Leviticus, because contemporary Christianity is largely descended from the teachings of a guy named Paul of Tarsus, who claimed (contrary to some disciples of Jesus) that following a Jewish religion is not a prerequisite for being a good Christian. Paul's version has been accepted as valid at the Council of Jerusalm (see Acts 15) and naturally became predominant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-53974524967903960712007-05-11T18:46:00.000+02:002007-05-11T18:46:00.000+02:00Killing animals (and getting rid of the blood prop...Killing animals (and getting rid of the blood properly) was even bigger.<BR/><BR/>Think about the very real problem of disposing the blood of thousands of animal sacrifices a day.<BR/><BR/>I recall being staggered upon reading Paula Fredrikson's working description of the Jerusalem Temple in Jesus's day. (She's the convert to Judaism who predicted that there would be pogroms in Poland when Mel's gospel first showed there).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-2189335031930376782007-05-11T17:47:00.000+02:002007-05-11T17:47:00.000+02:00Of course, if you want wacky bits out of the Bible...Of course, if you want wacky bits out of the Bible and Torah then the Leviticus (which is included in both) takes some beating. In fact, the bible is obsessed with killing people (apart from the commandment, ‘Thou shalt not kill’ of course. <BR/><BR/>Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." <BR/><BR/>Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9) <BR/><BR/>If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:11)<BR/><BR/>Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)<BR/><BR/>Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)<BR/><BR/>I would say that Leviticus contravenes the new Religious Hate Laws in the UK – does that mean Tony Blair (bless…) wants to ban the Bible and the Torah?beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-26718537240500657902007-05-11T16:59:00.000+02:002007-05-11T16:59:00.000+02:00Yikes! I thought my Polish wife was a really prim...Yikes! I thought my Polish wife was a really primo Catholic. But now I have to tell her she's in big trouble because she forgot to observe these OT rules: <BR/><BR/>12:6 When her purification period for a son or a daughter is complete, she shall bring to the priest, to the Communion Tent entrance, a yearling sheep for a burnt offering, and a young common dove, or a turtle dove for a sin offering.<BR/> <BR/>12:7 [The priest] shall offer [the sacrifice] before God and atone for [the woman], thus cleansing her of the blood coming from her womb. This law applies whether a woman gives birth to a boy or to a girl. <BR/><BR/>12:8 If [the woman] cannot afford a sheep, she shall bring two turtle doves, or two young common doves, one for a burnt offering and one for a sin offering. The priest shall then make atonement for her, and she shall be clean.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-21850127770181023012007-05-11T16:44:00.000+02:002007-05-11T16:44:00.000+02:00I should have known to askmoses.com:http://www.ask...I should have known to askmoses.com:<BR/><BR/>http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=411&o=91Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-60467109657897088632007-05-11T16:34:00.000+02:002007-05-11T16:34:00.000+02:00Can somebody here provide a list of the 365 prohib...Can somebody here provide a list of the 365 prohibitions of the Torah? I've been looking for them but can't find them.<BR/><BR/>Or is would providing that information to Goyim be illegal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-77645868451573798472007-05-11T16:17:00.000+02:002007-05-11T16:17:00.000+02:00Aren't there strict halachic rules against teachin...Aren't there strict halachic rules against teaching Torah to non-Jews?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1157008633802956992007-05-11T14:52:00.000+02:002007-05-11T14:52:00.000+02:00Naomi: For my two zlots, you can follow whatever ...Naomi: For my two zlots, you can follow whatever laws and observe whatever prohibitions you so choose.<BR/><BR/>Just don't try to impose them on me.<BR/><BR/>But if you insist on being such a literalist vis-a-vis the OT and the Torah in your observances, my guess is that even you have a lot of owning up to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-33882747716468531592007-05-11T08:47:00.000+02:002007-05-11T08:47:00.000+02:00I invite you to attend Nozyk shul with me anytime ...<I>I invite you to attend Nozyk shul with me anytime you wish. </I><BR/><BR/>Ok. When, where?beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-23488820459449112312007-05-11T07:11:00.000+02:002007-05-11T07:11:00.000+02:00As a fast typist, I had a minor typo previously wh...As a fast typist, I had a minor typo previously which is common on any blog, it happens. More important is if Beatroot is going to answer my question? It must be noted that I observe the Torah religiously. There are laws covering my diet, when I'm allowed to work, on homosexuality, abortion, marriage, and unique lending-interest laws to fellow Jews and to the Goyim. Are the Torah's laws ridiculous, or not? As you have seen, every religion has its own form of ex-communication. Aside from our laws perhaps you dislike the way we dress along with our peyot? I invite you to attend Nozyk shul with me anytime you wish. It shouldn't be that far from where you are. Perhaps, your attitude on religious laws and issues will change. A bonus is you will be able to meet me in person. I only hope, you enjoy kosher food.<BR/><BR/>NaomiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-54367876035371879902007-05-11T02:47:00.000+02:002007-05-11T02:47:00.000+02:00Yea, as a Polish Vietnam-veteran convert to Judais...Yea, as a Polish Vietnam-veteran convert to Judaism, as much as I like bowling, I can't even bowl on Saturday.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-66594004252423352022007-05-11T00:23:00.000+02:002007-05-11T00:23:00.000+02:00"As a Jew ... I am not allowed to work on Friday, ..."As a Jew ... I am not allowed to work on Friday, from sunset to sunrise"<BR/><BR/>As a Jew, you should know that the Jewish sabbath (Shabbat) is observed from before sundown Friday until Saturday night. <BR/><BR/>Nice try, though. Better luck next time.michael farrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10232229721381140090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-68342141624847505562007-05-10T23:55:00.000+02:002007-05-10T23:55:00.000+02:00As a Jew, the Torah forbids me to mix dairy produc...As a Jew, the Torah forbids me to mix dairy products with meat, and I cannot eat pork. Also, I am not allowed to work on Friday, from sunset to sunrise. Is that law ridiculous? Will the EU parliement intervene? If so, I think you are an anti-semite.<BR/><BR/>NaomiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-75325653741345970692007-05-10T23:04:00.000+02:002007-05-10T23:04:00.000+02:00What he thinks is completely irrelevant.Ah, no it'...<I>What he thinks is completely irrelevant.</I><BR/><BR/>Ah, no it's not. Actually, it's very relevant as pertaining to this issue and the faithful. Canon Law is not to be taken literally, but rather to be interpreted {The Old and New Testaments, since the critical thinking of German theologians from mid-19th century was deemed also not to be taken literally, given Darwinism et al.}in a manner convenient to realpolitik, hence John Kerry was not excommunicated despite his public pro-choice position during the presidential campaign against George Walker.<BR/><BR/>Politicians in Mexico, I hazard to guess, will also not be excommunicated. That is why I outlined in my initial comment that Ben's thinking is actually quite important re. this issue - is it a matter of collegiality, which has been steadily rolled back ever since JPII's reign, or on the other hand is the bishop of Rome dictating sharpened arrows against the agents of the 'dictatorship of relativism'?<BR/><BR/>As a kind of digressions, I would suggest the vicar of Christ should threaten to excommunicate all parents who facilitate their kids going to solariums, getting manicures and pedicures, MP3 players and playstations, and worst of all - helicopter rides, all preparatory rewards for young ones on making their First Holy Communion. Isn't a tasteless wafer enough for these already spoilt kids?Damien Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15814470741668910052noreply@blogger.com