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In my world the Mafia pushes Sina...I'm old school. In my world the Mafia pushes Sinatra.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-71015290426988396072007-03-14T01:19:00.000+01:002007-03-14T01:19:00.000+01:00They also played with Lucia Micareli on violin. T...They also played with Lucia Micareli on violin. Tull does Zepp (Kazimierz):<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL51Rv1Lmr4&mode=related&search=<BR/><BR/>OK, I'll stop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-89270209724000922792007-03-14T01:00:00.000+01:002007-03-14T01:00:00.000+01:00Noticed the same thing on a coupla Brathanki songs...Noticed the same thing on a coupla Brathanki songs. I saw Tull last year with my kids. They were playing with an absolutely amazing kid violinist.<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqRmfl1y768<BR/><BR/> They still sound great. First saw them way back around 1969 and many times betwixt..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-72600936530532565892007-03-13T23:10:00.000+01:002007-03-13T23:10:00.000+01:00There was also a folk-rock fusion CD pioneered waa...<I>There was also a folk-rock fusion CD pioneered waaaaay back by Grzegorz Ciechowski, but I forgot the title. </I><BR/><BR/>Heard that a ccouple of times and it is amazing. The man was a genius...beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-67966435957220231472007-03-13T23:06:00.000+01:002007-03-13T23:06:00.000+01:00I was actually playing Brathanki (2000) today. Bit...I was actually playing Brathanki (2000) today. Bits of it sound like Jethro Tull!beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-4375559742600827722007-03-13T22:50:00.000+01:002007-03-13T22:50:00.000+01:00For my two zlots, the best fusing of Polish folk a...For my two zlots, the best fusing of Polish folk and more "modern" stuff, specifically reggae, includes Trebunie-Tutki.<BR/><BR/>Gotta luv the w Sherwood CD with the Black Jamaican lead singer in Gorale garb. I have looked all over youtube to find anything by them to no avail. If anybody knows of any such video, PLEASE post the url.<BR/><BR/>Also, I like a lot of the brassy folk/jazzy stuff by the Golec Orkiestra which folks can indeed find on youtube.<BR/><BR/>And of course Brathanki -- very much pop-folk melodies, which also can be found on youtube.<BR/><BR/>There was also a folk-rock fusion CD pioneered waaaaay back by Grzegorz Ciechowski, but I forgot the title. I seem to recall it had a picture of a chicken on the cover.<BR/><BR/>On a more purist folk level, there's the Warsaw Village Band. Their rendition of Crane on youtube is a blast.<BR/><BR/>All said and done, though, my personal Polish favorites harken back to the rock of 70s and 80s, namely Brygada Kryzyz, DePress, Perfect, and Maanam. You can find them all easily enuff on youtube, although I haven't found anything really good by Perfect (the sound on Nie Wolno blows).<BR/><BR/>I also much like Robert Pieculewicz, the guitarist busker from Krakow, who sounds a lot like Steve Vai and Joe Satriani. I've heard his new cd where he goes by the name Steve Allen, so I guess he's trying to gain some popularity in the west.<BR/><BR/>My sense is that the band can be great but simply coz it's Polish, it just ain't gonna make it in the west.<BR/><BR/>As far as I know, the only Polish pop star who has gained any kind of widespread popularity of sorts in the US is Basia. <BR/><BR/>BTW, thanks to all for posting specific urls. I much enjoy watching and listening to this stuff even if I don't particularly like the music.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-28817430152157118372007-03-13T21:39:00.000+01:002007-03-13T21:39:00.000+01:00But I think the both the circumstances and the mel...<I>But I think the both the circumstances and the melodies of disco polo are unique to this country. Disco polo is a kind of Polish folk music. It uses musical phrases I have heard on some of those (to my eyes) weird Polish folk records.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, the same can be said about the invention of our brothers from the south: turbo-folk, which I herein bring to your attention in its full glory:<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xrAWuglwxQ<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GEHyhx1kws<BR/><BR/>(I happen to like this genre more than disco polo, for how it sounds and, erm, looks.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-2478696668417247562007-03-13T19:34:00.000+01:002007-03-13T19:34:00.000+01:00I was a bit worried about that sentence, as well (...I was a bit worried about that sentence, as well (I often worry about some of my sentences on this blog – and then think ‘what the hell’… and you are right that what I call ‘Euro cheese’ is heard in many places. There was something similar in Russia, for instance. <BR/><BR/>But I think the both the circumstances and the melodies of disco polo are unique to this country. Disco polo is a kind of Polish folk music. It uses musical phrases I have heard on some of those (to my eyes) weird Polish folk records. <BR/><BR/>And the way that disco polo emerged and thrived is quite unique to this place.<BR/><BR/>But thanks for the compliment but there will never be charges for going to blogs. And this blog would rather be seen dead than even putting an advert on it. There must be somewhere on the web that people can come and not be bombarded with jerks trying to sell us something.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-30595768353927283722007-03-13T19:10:00.000+01:002007-03-13T19:10:00.000+01:00'disco polo – a unique Polish contemporary music f...'disco polo – a unique Polish contemporary music form'<BR/><BR/>I challenge your musicological clout. I was in an Austrian restaurant in London recently where the live act was exactly like the disco-Polo I've heard. I have also heard similar musics in pubs and at barndances in Germany, Czech, Slovakia and France. it's just European 'muzyka ludowa' on synthesizers. Not surprising - have you seen the price of accordeons lately? <BR/>Marfvellous blog. You should charge for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-75743788286010398492007-03-13T17:07:00.000+01:002007-03-13T17:07:00.000+01:00Vader or Behemoth are VERY famous around the world...<I>Vader or Behemoth are VERY famous around the world...</I><BR/><BR/>Absolutly true. Why Poles do this so well is a bit of a mystery. <BR/><BR/>My girlfreind and I have a theory about the music situation. Pop music is based basically on Afro-Americans singing Protestant hymns...that's what the spirituals are...and so soul, jazz, blues...all the basics of modern music.<BR/><BR/>Poles have neither blacks nor Protestant hymns...they have Catholic durges...<BR/><BR/>And Podelsi...I always thought that Kwas liked disco polo cause Shazza reminded him of ..er...Joanna...(there is a similarity).beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-61673670423239816402007-03-13T15:57:00.000+01:002007-03-13T15:57:00.000+01:00It was not the mob that put the kibosh on disco po...It was not the mob that put the kibosh on disco polo. It was Kwaśnieski, who once claimed to like it in a transparent attempt to curry favour with the yoof.<BR/><BR/>Once Kwaśniak was on board it lost all - ahem - credibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-70747162890114121042007-03-13T11:01:00.000+01:002007-03-13T11:01:00.000+01:00Well, you guys may be right about polish pop (I do...Well, you guys may be right about polish pop (I don't listen to pop or at least try not to listen, as I'm surrounded by it), but there is one kind of music Poland can be proud of - metal, in its heaviest and darkest form. Bands like Vader or Behemoth are VERY famous around the world... for those who listen to this music. Poland is sometimes compared to Scandinavia, which is a metal heaven.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06901447599969378260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-26878357907180572172007-03-13T08:57:00.000+01:002007-03-13T08:57:00.000+01:00That'll do as a starter....Yup, this is a big subj...<I>That'll do as a starter....</I><BR/><BR/>Yup, this is a big subject. I like the bit about <I>I like popular music that comes from local roots and whose rhythms come from the rhythms of speech.</I><BR/><BR/>So you like east coast or west coast rap?<BR/><BR/>Two more problems with Polish music.<BR/><BR/>They never had a singles market. Pop is a 3 minute singles based medium.<BR/><BR/>They never had pirate radio. One of the reasons British music is so vibrant is because we had illegal radio since the 1960s (when even the Beatles wasn’t played on the BBC).beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-31239583396883212582007-03-13T08:56:00.000+01:002007-03-13T08:56:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-90401386468131926512007-03-13T08:31:00.000+01:002007-03-13T08:31:00.000+01:00I actually like a lot of old Polish pop music. But...I actually like a lot of old Polish pop music. But it seems in the pits at present. Some reasons for this are (IMHO):<BR/><BR/>1. English - Almost all Polish performers think they can sing in English and distressingly (for my linguistic sense) they often do so. Very few can sing in English in a way that native speakers want to listen to.<BR/><BR/>2. Abroad - Too many are thinking they can become famous in the west and expend too much energy in that direction (see no. 1) at the expense of basic skills.<BR/><BR/>3. Looking down on indigenous music - I like popular music that comes from local roots and whose rhythms come from the rhythms of speech. Opinion makers in Poland look down on both (see attitudes toward disco polo which though often dire did have the advantage of being based directly or indirectly on native musical traditions.<BR/><BR/>4. Rock - I've never much liked rock (except for punk and a few gimmicky novelties here and there). It's a rhythmic, melodic wasteland. And the more 'classic' it is the bigger a black hole of destruction. Paradoxically, I think Poland is one of the few european countries that understood rock well enough to make rock that was good enough on its own terms (even if it's not my taste).<BR/><BR/>5. Ick, it's popular - Polish opinion makers are mostly provincial snobs who desperately want to believe they belong to the metropole. Being Polish and making music that polish people want to listen to is an unforgivable offense for them.<BR/><BR/>That'll do as a starter....michael farrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10232229721381140090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-69546889009326403052007-03-13T08:20:00.000+01:002007-03-13T08:20:00.000+01:00Why Polish music is so bad has always puzzled me. ...Why Polish music is so bad has always puzzled me. When I got here all the guys liked Rock – and I mean Led Zepplin, Deep Purple, that kind of thing. It was as if the punk rock never happened, as it did in Britain or New York. <BR/><BR/>But of course, punk rock didn’t happen like that here. There was some punk stuff in about 1984 in Poland – and maybe that’s why the 1980s Polish stuff sounds better than the 1990s stuff. <BR/><BR/>What Poles really didn’t do well was pop. In the mid 1990s there was only Kayah and at that time Justyna Steczkowska who were producing good sophisticated pop (Steczkowska was completely reliant on her producer Grzegorz Ciechowski, who died early, unfortunately. He was a genius. <BR/><BR/>Myslovitz is the most successful Polish band abroad, and they are my favourites still. You can here an English language version of one of their songs here if you don’t know them<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwTOSSBMvN4<BR/><BR/>But generally, Poles can’t write a good tune and the guys can’t sing. And that’s a bit of a problem when you want to write good pop music.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-64740495186168497202007-03-13T08:16:00.000+01:002007-03-13T08:16:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-38509137638711839172007-03-12T23:24:00.000+01:002007-03-12T23:24:00.000+01:00Lyrics comprehension is not something that really ...Lyrics comprehension is not something that really matters as far as songs are concerned. In ‘Never mind the buzzcocks’ there was a segment in which native English speakers tried to work out, often unsuccessfully, the lyrics of a hit song. The most requested song at English weddings is ‘Every breath you take’ by the Police (about a persistent stalker), and at Polish weddings ‘Moj piekny panie’ by 2+1 (about a bride-to-be who is getting cold feet before her wedding to a guy she does NOT love). I like AC/DC but even if your put a gun to my head (please, don't), I would not be able to recall what their songs are all about.<BR/>As far as disco polo goes - de gustibus non disputandum est, but the reasons for the outburst of talent are simple (in Polish only):<BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0CLu_Lup-4<BR/>But at least one cannot argue the Polish youth on parole are not trying to make an honest living. And you better like their music or else... On balance, it is just healthier to meet these artists on stage rather than in a dark alley, so whatever keeps them busy must be a good thing.<BR/>Personally, I regard this raw diamond as my favorite, at least for the vocals. A heart-warming story about a girl from a fire station:<BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fwYD3yG_zU&mode=related&search=Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-69665572411666354022007-03-12T22:55:00.000+01:002007-03-12T22:55:00.000+01:00Damn you, Beatroot!I had somehow managed to pretty...Damn you, Beatroot!<BR/><BR/>I had somehow managed to pretty much avoid dp ever since a coupla plane trips to/from Poland in the late 90s.<BR/><BR/>Having now listened to and watched the Boys, it's a tossup as to whether I loathed the video or the music more. <BR/><BR/>I should note, though, that I used to and still like early Kombi which seems somewhat similar (but their later stuff, I couldn't stand, either).<BR/><BR/>Elitist intellectual snob that I am, I much prefer truly popular, non-mob mediated Polish American music like the Goral Polka and more at:<BR/> <BR/>http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dynatones&search=SearchAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-45358441027751866182007-03-12T22:37:00.000+01:002007-03-12T22:37:00.000+01:00I agree with opamp, western music was (is still?) ...I agree with opamp, western music was (is still?) treated by most Polish listeners as a kind of instrumental rorsharch onto which they can project whatever they want, it's hard for lyrics they can understand to match that.<BR/><BR/>I've gotten people mad at me when I told them what the lyrics were about.<BR/><BR/>Polish person: It sounds so sophisticated....<BR/>Me: It's about a prostitute. (the song was private dancer)<BR/>Polish person: (scowls)michael farrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10232229721381140090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-76541016770169114322007-03-12T22:33:00.000+01:002007-03-12T22:33:00.000+01:00In 1991 after returning to the states after five m...In 1991 after returning to the states after five months in Poland I played some music I'd bought for friends (mostly doctoral students in the social sciences).<BR/><BR/>They weren't enthusiastic... The _only_ thing they all reacted positively to was Mydełko Fa (the grandaddy of all disco polo songs).michael farrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10232229721381140090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-19810385380314791332007-03-12T22:30:00.000+01:002007-03-12T22:30:00.000+01:00I reminded them that popular music was based on cr...<I>I reminded them that popular music was based on crap lyrics</I><BR/><BR/>This is why foreign music is so popular in Poland: it stops being a problem when you can't understand the lyrics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-52017137499275609492007-03-12T22:19:00.000+01:002007-03-12T22:19:00.000+01:00Jan - I think you have the western ‘ketch’ disease...Jan - I think you have the western ‘ketch’ disease. Liking things that are crap is fashionable (Kyle Minogue, bless her, has made a career out of it).<BR/><BR/> But, as Mike notes, disco polo was a popular music form. And it was a direct affront to the self-styled ‘Polish intellectual’. I remember teaching at university here and students kept complaining that the ‘texts’ of disco polo songs were ‘shit’. <BR/><BR/>I reminded them that popular music was based on crap lyrics – ‘She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah,…’ but they thought that all songs should have lyrics like groups like …er…Big cyc (Big Tits)…which had ‘clever’ satirical lyrics…..like one of their biggest hits, ironically, about <I>Shazza moja milosc</I> (Shazza my love).<BR/><BR/>Oh, how we laughed.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.com