tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post6019945544556925713..comments2024-03-13T03:13:59.610+01:00Comments on the beatroot: Sign the Geremek petitionbeatroothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-34380960427426635372007-06-24T18:56:00.000+02:002007-06-24T18:56:00.000+02:00Geremek is a bitch. Down with him.Geremek is a bitch. Down with him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-38648323984641942412007-05-10T11:45:00.000+02:002007-05-10T11:45:00.000+02:00Norman Davies has commented that as Jaroslaw K. wa...Norman Davies has commented that as Jaroslaw K. was editor of the Solidarity movement newspaper in 1989-1990 <I>'obviously he had to co-operate with the communist censors. Formally the new law means he should lose his job and is no longer prime minister."</I><BR/><BR/>Well at least something good might come out of this lustration process!Damien Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15814470741668910052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-87337784909227524162007-05-07T02:49:00.000+02:002007-05-07T02:49:00.000+02:00hare said: "Those vicious barbarian Polox invaded ...hare said: "Those vicious barbarian Polox invaded the peace-loving Third Reich and<BR/>stole Stettin and Danzig. Then they rounded up the Jews and sent them to the gas chambers (after beating and dehumanizing and nearly starving them to death) in Polish concentration camps."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-49664424637679464402007-05-06T01:14:00.000+02:002007-05-06T01:14:00.000+02:00harry said... jannovak57 said... ??????????Har...harry said...<BR/><BR/> jannovak57 said... ??????????<BR/><BR/>Harry, what the hell are you talking about and who the hell are you quoting? <BR/><BR/>I never said that!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-20755869831195470732007-05-05T23:18:00.000+02:002007-05-05T23:18:00.000+02:00jannovak57 said... Everything is the fault of the...jannovak57 said... <BR/><I> Everything is the fault of the British. Apart from what is the fault of the Jews, which is almost everything, the Jews have always hated Poland.</I><BR/><BR/>Oh. Right. Well why didn't you just say so?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-77910745872368920892007-05-04T19:07:00.000+02:002007-05-04T19:07:00.000+02:00Beat, no, that would make him a surrealist.Beat, no, that would make him a surrealist.michael farrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10232229721381140090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-38305460055706223422007-05-04T19:02:00.000+02:002007-05-04T19:02:00.000+02:00I thought He was a medievalist….meaning, he studie...I thought He was a medievalist….meaning, he studied contemporary Polish history.<BR/><BR/>:-)beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-28626330967483062572007-05-04T18:37:00.000+02:002007-05-04T18:37:00.000+02:00It probably has something to do with the fact that...It probably has something to do with the fact that Geremek is a noted French historian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-83391443068229001062007-05-04T17:27:00.000+02:002007-05-04T17:27:00.000+02:00Jan - this is a poll started in France. The petiti...Jan - this is a poll started in France. The petition is written in French and English. It has not been publicised in Poland. And, even if it had, the spinelessness of POlish 'liberals' is legendary...so this is an international poll. That's it.Metka by Traczkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283981055056538179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-48254130899472993322007-05-04T16:29:00.000+02:002007-05-04T16:29:00.000+02:00An update on the great petition, as of a few momen...An update on the great petition, as of a few moments ago there were 317 signatures the number that represents ethnic Poles from Poland is less than one percent of the total.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-30017244223826599622007-05-04T16:17:00.000+02:002007-05-04T16:17:00.000+02:00Harry said... "Stettin was a German city for more ...Harry said... <BR/>"Stettin was a German city for more than 700 years before being illegally taken from Germany. Danzig was a German city from 1308 until it too was illegally taken from its people. Stolp was a German city from the very day it became a town (9 september 1310), right up until it was stolen by the USSR to become a gift for Poland. Funny how you are very happy to collaborate with those illegal acts."<BR/><BR/>Szczecin was a German city but it has been Polish for over 60 years, so you have to use its current and proper name. There was nothing illegal about taking over the 'Ziemie Odzyskane' – refer to the numerous Polish-German border treaties. Ever heard of the IIWW, or are you one of those caring types who sanitize the past by claiming that it had not been the Germans but some elusive Nazis who set Europe ablaze? Besides, possession is 9/10ths of the law, so you better get over the loss.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-77010039793589597342007-05-04T16:09:00.000+02:002007-05-04T16:09:00.000+02:00harry said... “being illegally taken from Germany”...harry said... “being illegally taken from Germany”<BR/><BR/>To the best of my knowledge no country or international body has taken the position that there was any illegality involved in the transfer of these cities to Poland. It seems all countries concern view this border adjustment as final and irreversible. If your getting legal advice from Stormfront that may be a variance.<BR/><BR/>I should remind you Poland had nothing to do with these border adjustments and was not consulted but rather informed by the victorious power at the end of WW2. These arrangements were finalized at the Potsdam conference by Great Britain, the Soviet Union and the United States. They followed a simple and brutal logic:<BR/><BR/>As Prussia was viewed as focus for German belligerence and militarism it was to be completely irradiated.<BR/><BR/>The presence of ethnic Germans living outside of Germany was a potential future source of conflict and therefore these populations would have to be returned to the new borders of Germany.<BR/><BR/>Poland would require compensation for lands lost in the east and reparations from Germany for the 7,000,000 killed and the total destruction of the country. The border adjustment was a component of reparation.<BR/><BR/>No German has any claim for compensation with respect to Poland:<BR/><BR/>Germany was adjudicated to have waged wars of aggression and other crimes against the peace, war crimes and crimes against humanity.<BR/><BR/>The German government by official policy frustrated orderly evacuation of the eastern territories.<BR/><BR/>Therefore compensation claims are a matter between Germans and their government.<BR/><BR/>In the final analysis Poland is owed vast sums from Germany, as its reparations to date were inconsistent to the loss of life and property caused by their criminal aggression.<BR/><BR/>Remember only a neo-nazis would utter the old German names of some Polish cities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-33192267880981181032007-05-04T15:15:00.000+02:002007-05-04T15:15:00.000+02:00What was the title, again??Lustration?<I>What was the title, again?</I>?<BR/><BR/><B>Lustration</B>?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-42844970203096426272007-05-04T13:25:00.000+02:002007-05-04T13:25:00.000+02:00Progress. Tolerance.Because we should all be menta...<I>Progress. Tolerance.</I><BR/><BR/>Because we should all be mentally conditioned not to ask questions which contradict the gospel of Gazeta Wyborcza. Oh wait, I read about it some English book... What was the title, again?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-64759780285539012102007-05-04T10:23:00.000+02:002007-05-04T10:23:00.000+02:00jannovak57 said... Firstly I am sure you know the ...<I>jannovak57 said... <BR/>Firstly I am sure you know the proper names for these Polish cities, not names uttered by some senile German or neo-nazis.</I><BR/>The ‘proper’ names? Stettin was a German city for more than 700 years before being illegally taken from Germany. Danzig was a German city from 1308 until it too was illegally taken from its people. Stolp was a German city from the very day it became a town (9 september 1310), right up until it was stolen by the USSR to become a gift for Poland. Funny how you are very happy to collaborate with those illegal acts. <BR/><BR/><I>The bulk of the German population was removed from those areas to prevent the very problem of future disloyalty.</I><BR/>Oh, I see. So just deporting people makes everything OK. Here’s an idea: let’s deport everybody who whines on about the need for a lustration process, that would make the problem go away!<BR/><BR/><I>Germany had to go through de-nazification and Poland will have to go through a similar process.</I> <BR/>With you on that one. The sooner idiots like Giertych and the rest of the catho-nazis are banned from public life the better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-83158304564783278092007-05-04T02:23:00.000+02:002007-05-04T02:23:00.000+02:00So next we'll hear how every historian employed at...So next we'll hear how every historian employed at a "state university" was a collaborator. And how the lavish lifestyles of professors were scandalous. <BR/><BR/>And nowadays it seems like we're being treated to tabloidism featuring how Jewish professors who were leaders of Solidarnosc purportedly prostituted themselves.<BR/><BR/>Progress. Tolerance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-72475826079241643382007-05-04T00:01:00.000+02:002007-05-04T00:01:00.000+02:00Beatroot,I won't be answering Jan's attacks. Yes ...Beatroot,<BR/><BR/>I won't be answering Jan's attacks. Yes my blog is anit-zionist but it is not against the Jewish people. I don't want to bring here the debate on the diference between anti-semitism and anit-zionism but I must say that Israel is surrounded today by friends who are pro-zionists and anti-semites like the American Christian right. <BR/>And by the way I am a semite myself.Sophiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09577807573716384982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-68451737019460053072007-05-03T23:48:00.000+02:002007-05-03T23:48:00.000+02:00"Still ... it would be very beneficial to finally ..."Still ... it would be very beneficial to finally learn all the details of this deal. It would, at least, lay some crazy conspiracy theories to rest"<BR/><BR/>I'm reminded of whay they say about watching sausage being made.michael farrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10232229721381140090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-53357463496304973372007-05-03T23:47:00.000+02:002007-05-03T23:47:00.000+02:00Showed Great Tolerance?But of course. I mean, how ...<I>Showed Great Tolerance?</I><BR/><BR/>But of course. I mean, how do you call a situation where an opposition leader has a job where the state pays him to research -- wait for it -- prostitution in medieval France?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-88458241504050890262007-05-03T23:39:00.000+02:002007-05-03T23:39:00.000+02:00Mike You'll never have closure because the majorit...Mike<BR/><I> You'll never have closure because the majority of Polish people don't agree with you.</I><BR/><BR/>I agree that the de-commie obsession was pushed to the front of the agenda <I>after PiS failed to get a coalition deal with Platform</I>. That’s crucial.<BR/><BR/>And the majority of Poles want a better life – nothing more, nothing less. <BR/><BR/>But PiS type politics has about 30 percent support in this country. It’s based in the small towns, the less developed farms, and a kind of counter-intellectual class (small) which expresses these interests. <BR/><BR/>So, with the current election system, that group is going to have an influence on government. Always.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-40024770909949408972007-05-03T23:34:00.000+02:002007-05-03T23:34:00.000+02:00The question is: why a regime that was known to de...<I>The question is: why a regime that was known to deal ruthlessly with the oppositionists (see examples cited), showed such a great tolerance for this particular group</I><BR/><BR/>Showed Great Tolerance?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-51774605390773989212007-05-03T23:33:00.000+02:002007-05-03T23:33:00.000+02:00Again I repeat, what realistic alternative (that d...<I>Again I repeat, what realistic alternative (that didn't involve mass killings) would you have preferred?</I><BR/><BR/>OK now. Contrary to jannovak, I believe that there was none, and that the Round Table was the right thing to do. <BR/><BR/>Still, it doesn't change that fact that it would be very beneficial to finally learn all the details of this deal. It would, at least, lay some crazy conspiracy theories to rest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-354610004080595572007-05-03T23:30:00.000+02:002007-05-03T23:30:00.000+02:00It's possible to support Israel's right to exist a...It's possible to support Israel's right to exist and still be critical of Israeli policies and actions. Quite a few Israelis even do so. But it now seems some Poles are uncritical champions of Israel to the extent that they label anyone critical of Israel as being anti-Semitic. All at the same time they try to crucify Geremek, Michnik and other Jews. Sad, very sad and damnably duplicitous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-75635918713133942212007-05-03T23:27:00.000+02:002007-05-03T23:27:00.000+02:00And then linking to that suffering as being the re...<I> And then linking to that suffering as being the responsibility of KOR. </I><BR/><BR/>Fascinating. But completely different from what I wrote. <BR/><BR/>The question is: why a regime that was known to deal ruthlessly with the oppositionists (see examples cited), showed such a great tolerance for this particular group?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-62679519172112682532007-05-03T23:26:00.000+02:002007-05-03T23:26:00.000+02:00"This is all about moving beyond the past, you can..."This is all about moving beyond the past, you can’t have closure until the body is in the ground and seen to be buried."<BR/><BR/>You'll never have closure because the majority of Polish people don't agree with you.<BR/>I remind you, PiS won the parliamentary elections on scaremongering about social benefits for old people (and young people being too scatterbrained to vote). The heavy duty lustration and settling scores agenda only really appeared after the election.<BR/><BR/>"When the roundtable concluded many people and myself felt that it was a gross misunderstanding of Polish society to think that the dirty deal would be allowed to go unchallenged."<BR/><BR/>Again I repeat, what realistic alternative (that didn't involve mass killings) would you have preferred?michael farrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10232229721381140090noreply@blogger.com