tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post5385295481445633658..comments2024-03-20T10:19:56.838+01:00Comments on the beatroot: How a cross brought Poland's establishment to its kneesbeatroothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-41980261568492578012010-10-29T23:38:47.331+02:002010-10-29T23:38:47.331+02:00Have you gone mad? Do you even understand what dem...Have you gone mad? Do you even understand what democracy means? I think Poland has become anti-democratic. In the United States, a secular state, the President would dare tell anyone to remove a cross.<br /><br />The seperation of church and state and democracy also means freedom of religion for everyone.<br /><br />This is the "pseudo" European example of "democracy" that is, get rid of anything Christian, tolerate islamic extremism and point the fingers at the Christians.<br /><br />The Youth in Poland are too interesred in blackberries, MacDonalds and MTV. Before they know it they will be a bunch of dull, culture-less, spoiled and effeminate little dweebs like the Swedes who are too afraid to do anything about the extremist Muslim fanatics in their country, who go against everything they supposedly stand for.<br /><br />I hate the hypocrisy of the European Union.<br /><br />I am 26 years old, I have a degree in higher education, and I know if I were in Poland I would be one of the defenders of the cross. I am not some burak and neither are a lot of these people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-62897646070229162452010-08-12T18:24:26.100+02:002010-08-12T18:24:26.100+02:00Of course. President Sarkozy would have sent in th...Of course. President Sarkozy would have sent in the tanks. But the government, church etc do not have the confidence to that. And that says something about them but also something more about the insecurity of the state in Poland in general. That's been a historical process which you can see now in this cross thing. <br /><br />If the state can't believe in itself, how can you expect Poles to do it for them?beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-86633582101389560462010-08-12T16:35:37.818+02:002010-08-12T16:35:37.818+02:00Physically turn over the cross to the church / boy...Physically turn over the cross to the church / boy scouts. Use the police to maintain order with teargas and batons.<br /><br />Democracies are fully entitled to maintain constitutional order with force.jannowak57noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-87744568073670691872010-08-12T16:05:44.877+02:002010-08-12T16:05:44.877+02:00I don't think you can can blame them for the r...I don't think you can can blame them for the reaction to the plaque. That was very dumb PRby president Komorowski. Two lowly officials unviel some crappy little plaque ain;t gonna passify anyone. It's almost provocative and has prolonged this sorry saga...<br /><br />I think the establishment has played this whole game pathetically.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-49114075000962217762010-08-12T14:46:08.609+02:002010-08-12T14:46:08.609+02:00They already had a/the big memorial Mass in Krakow...They already had a/the big memorial Mass in Krakow.<br /><br />And the narcissistic idolators will still make a big stink at a BIG Mass in Warsaw. <br /><br />Look at how dissatisfied they are with the plaque just put up.<br /><br />Nothing will satisfy them except their own martyrdom. Which I spoze does make them more Christ-like in a bizarre, wrongful, even blaspehmous way.ge'eznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-76529704069133035712010-08-11T19:17:47.223+02:002010-08-11T19:17:47.223+02:00Indeed, diving instructors is a big issue in Polan...Indeed, diving instructors is a big issue in Poland. <br /><br />Anyway, Geez..."There was and is no way to organize a "dignified and suitably reverent removal of the cross," as suggested by 57. At least not during the day. No matter how dignified the move to a church, those blasphemers would have done and still will do everything possible to stage a bloody stink."<br /><br />Of course there is a dignified way. <br /><br />The warsaw top religious geezer agreed to move the cross. So they can organise a mass - a big one - outside the presidential palace...all the top religious, political establishment there...have a big Smolensk mass with live TV coverage from multiple angles, helocopter shots, the works.....then have Bishops lead the cross on a procession down to St Anne's square. Then dump the damn thing in there...and run for it!beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-7071084121280072682010-08-10T19:03:56.550+02:002010-08-10T19:03:56.550+02:00In any country disguise of special military units ...In any country disguise of special military units involved in diving, there are also groups of divers, old benefit of domestic functions. They are in most cases, release services, but also with the construction of water facilities and buildings, or in water. Training of these professionals include periodically leaf a diving course, but also how to conduct a rescue operation beneath fizzy water be illogical, and the ways and principles of professional and non-poisonous, continual orders submarines. Assorted specialize in these units, and certain situations are selected in the interdependence of the needs and functions to create. Working in teams is a priority of such treacherous and requires connected upswing of specific skills. This ensures a elegant, organized scuba diving task, led close to the most au fait diving instructors who can blow of a long-standing rule in this run, plus numerous successes and records. Some of them push the employ and using the self-employed modus operandi, following enthusiasts of the nadir extremely ways of spending extra time.<br />Mike [url=http://www.hotdive.dogory.pl]Kurs nurkowania[/url]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-59967406336546975342010-08-08T15:39:00.474+02:002010-08-08T15:39:00.474+02:00The cross is a symbol of Christ's sacrifice.
...The cross is a symbol of Christ's sacrifice.<br /><br />To use it to symbolize Lech Kaczynski in any way is a means of establishing a cultish idolatry.<br /><br />The only way to deal with the protesters is to outsmart them which should not have been at all difficult to do. But duh, go figure. <br /><br />There was and is no way to organize a "dignified and suitably reverent removal of the cross," as suggested by 57. At least not during the day. No matter how dignified the move to a church, those blasphemers would have done and still will do everything possible to stage a bloody stink.<br /><br />It still needs to be moved by surprise at night and even then there should be a guarding phalanx of priests and even a bishop of some sort (if one can be found to do what he should see as his duty) surrounding the cross as it is ceremoniously moved to the church. <br /><br />And lots and lots of heavy duty incense. Maybe throw in some pot to burn so as to peace and love up the protesters who obviously need to be medicated.ge'eznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-78880345054651891662010-08-08T04:16:17.473+02:002010-08-08T04:16:17.473+02:00What we have here is a political miscalculation on...What we have here is a political miscalculation on the part of our Political elites generated by simple inaction they walked into a trap cunningly set for them by Lech Kaczynski and followers. By not taking things in hand and having been seen organizing a dignified and suitably reverent removal of the cross, they came over as being the group that was simply and disrespectfully disposing of the no longer required object. Now they lost the high ground and can only react to events. If you think this has gone crazy, just wait until they try to remove the cross from Polish classrooms as some have suggested.<br /><br />There are two Polands based on a cultural divide and these politicians have to be mindful of this because it takes some skill and cunning to allow for coexistence without conflict.<br />I have to agree with you the countries political elites looked like hapless idiots when confronted by the lunatic fringe.jannowak57noreply@blogger.com