tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post4188046595912540430..comments2024-03-20T10:19:56.838+01:00Comments on the beatroot: From Russia with love?beatroothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-91805770991959497462008-02-12T18:58:00.000+01:002008-02-12T18:58:00.000+01:00In the worst-case situation this non-nuclear missi...<I>In the worst-case situation this non-nuclear missile would be fired into space causing no property damage or loss of life.</I><BR/><BR/>Except a Russian retaliatory strike. <BR/><BR/>In 1983 nuclear war was closely averted because a Soviet commander <I>violated the procedure</I> when Soviet satellites (incorrectly) detected launches from one of the U.S. missile fields. <BR/><BR/>In 1995 Russian missile forces <BR/>started countdown when their radars picked up a research rocket launched from Norway. Launch was cancelled when it became apparent that the rocket was flying away from Russia. <BR/><BR/>A million dollar question: what will the Russian commander on duty do when he sees a radar echo of a 'harmless' U.S. missile fired from Poland?<BR/><BR/><I>Yes that’s correct but it is an American installation protecting both the US and its Nato partners.</I><BR/><BR/>...such as Canada. This system cannot protect European targets. You're at odds with physics again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-45391475529522551702008-02-12T15:32:00.000+01:002008-02-12T15:32:00.000+01:00jan - I don;t think that the Kosovo crisis will ge...jan - I don;t think that the Kosovo crisis will get military. The elections in Serbia put a pro-EU president in and he will bend over backwards to please Brussels, which means letting Kosovo become a little more independant (I think they will find some kind of fudge compromise). <BR/><BR/>The immediate problem for NATO is Afghanistan. The canadians have had enough of getting blwon to bits and they want germany and some of the others to stick their necks out and go where it is dangerous - which is basically in the south of the country. <BR/><BR/>Poles have been in the south and seem to have had a few bad experiences, but I get the impression that even Warsaw has put bloacks on where it will send its men and what they will do when they get there.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-17033543703648235352008-02-12T10:15:00.000+01:002008-02-12T10:15:00.000+01:00GeezWhy should Beatenrootless care about Poland. H...Geez<BR/><BR/>Why should Beatenrootless care about Poland. His condescending tone towards Poland and his rabid anti American mania are apparent in any basic reading. If Poland gets occupied again he will probably just endorse it so long as the person says a few empty words about social justice like his friend Hugo Chavez.<BR/><BR/>Now kindly continue to fetch drinks<BR/>and play the salon jester. You might even earn minimum wage someday is his majesty Beatroot decides to toss in some chump change.beakerkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088967209404588378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-15046183805145276472008-02-12T05:15:00.000+01:002008-02-12T05:15:00.000+01:00Beaten by the Beaker.NATO is a waste of time and m...Beaten by the Beaker.<BR/><BR/>NATO is a waste of time and money. Why should the US tax payer subsidize the defense of Europe? <BR/>Who and what are we defending against? <BR/><BR/>If the Polish people want a bilateral agreement to stave off Russia, so be it. NATO has proven to be quite useless and it has come time to end. Let the EU foot its own bill for defense.beakerkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088967209404588378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-61329917396475398812008-02-11T19:51:00.000+01:002008-02-11T19:51:00.000+01:00Keep trying, 57. Your position on Mol and "the sa...Keep trying, 57. Your position on Mol and "the salon" was repeatedly months ago stated clearly enuff and in a wider consistent context. Now you conflate two different quotes to try to confuse matters. C'mon, at least be consistent over time and don't try to sidestep your disdain for black folks and liberals. Nice of you, though, to own up to only wanting to use Americans like Sneakerfreak.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-66818382458518415022008-02-11T19:12:00.000+01:002008-02-11T19:12:00.000+01:00geez said...” I thought you were advocating lynchi...geez said...” I thought you were advocating lynching for Mol”<BR/><BR/>Under no circumstance as that would imply the potential of a quick death and in this case nature will do just fine…….that is after we hear the judge/judges say guilty as charged.<BR/><BR/>Secondly did you miss the word “vetting” in the sentence, which has no relevance in contemporary events in Poland around Mole or the salon but rather is widely understood to be a process of identifying those guilty of crimes during the PRL.<BR/><BR/>Slowly check under your bed, if there’s no bogey man go back to bed otherwise call the nice man in the white jacket to come by with a syringe of happy juice. Repeat after me “everything will be all right”.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-76605461729748279142008-02-11T18:30:00.000+01:002008-02-11T18:30:00.000+01:00beatroot said...‘cheese eating surrender monkey’Qu...beatroot said...‘cheese eating surrender monkey’<BR/><BR/>Question: Why wouldn't the Statue of Liberty work in France? <BR/>Answer: Because she has only one arm raised. <BR/><BR/>Question: How do you confuse a French Soldier? <BR/>Answer:Give him a rifle and ask him to shoot it.<BR/><BR/>Question: What does a French military alliance and a French romance have in common? <BR/>Answer: Both are brief, sordid, and completely meaningless.<BR/><BR/>When defending their continued plunder of Africa you find the French not shy in using their armed forces to help the locals see “reason” in their former colonies.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you it was a big mistake to involve Nato in the “war on Terror”, firstly it was stretching the intent of the treaty obligation. This has damaged the alliance and the US would have been better off to deal directly with a number of countries willing to participate and hit the rest up for some cash.<BR/><BR/>Pre-emptive is not a bad thing if you could justify it. But to have invaded Iraq looking for WMD’s and found nothing more than a rusty hand grenade was a political disaster.<BR/><BR/>Nato’s got some adventures coming up one is a possible new crisis in Kosovo and the other is on a political level concerning expansion i.e. Georgia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-29987603333866858272008-02-11T18:01:00.000+01:002008-02-11T18:01:00.000+01:0057: "I am aware of the American context but it has...57: "I am aware of the American context but it has no relevance to the Polish situation."<BR/><BR/>>>><BR/><BR/>Oh, and I thought you were advocating lynching for Mol and "the salon." Looking again, that's what you did advocate (in addition for all the other folks you seem to need to hate). And if an American missile base gives you some kind of hope, I still gotta wonder hope for what?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-68464112249594307972008-02-11T17:53:00.000+01:002008-02-11T17:53:00.000+01:00opamp said...” an accidental launch and a madman w...opamp said...” an accidental launch and a madman with a control over the button.”<BR/><BR/>You need to de-couple your dislike of George Bush with the technical aspect of these weapons and their fire control. It’s not the Americans you should worry about but rather the Russians whose lack of technical process could result in catastrophe. In the worst-case situation this non-nuclear missile would be fired into space causing no property damage or loss of life.<BR/><BR/>opamp said...” This is NOT a NATO installation”<BR/>Yes that’s correct but it is an American installation protecting both the US and its Nato partners. Poland security is being enhanced through American military aid my understanding is that Poland has major requirements for the upgrade of it’s defence forces. Poland is free to say NO to this yet all voices of those responsible for the nation security take the view that given some military aid it should go forth.<BR/><BR/>opamp said...” The leader of this country would not only have to be a madman, but also a complete idiot. “<BR/><BR/>Just listen to their speeches, some of these third world freaks couldn't get a license for a hand gun based on their mental state let alone giving them control of a nuke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-8018398513357653692008-02-11T17:43:00.000+01:002008-02-11T17:43:00.000+01:00Nato has been and continues to be the most success...<I>Nato has been and continues to be the most successful collective defense agreement ever produced. It’s not perfect. The notion that democratic states form a collective defence alliance remains fundamentally sound.<BR/><BR/>It sounds like your advocating an almost isolationist policy of America first which really is no longer an option…</I><BR/>Firstly, the type of American who thinks like Beakowhako does advocate isolationism. They always do when the US suffers a defeat or has to beat a hasty retreat from somewhere. They always blame those pesky Europeans, particularly of the ‘cheese eating surrender monkey’ variety. <BR/>But secondly, the US is getting frustrated with NATO. Many countries simply don’t want to get involved in their wars. This is why the US defense sec (whose name escapes me at the moment, so anonymous has he been since the demise of dear old Rummy) is warning that we must not create a ‘two tier’ NATO. He means US, UK, and kind of Poland, Canada, and then everyone else on the other tier. <BR/>In reality, of course, we have a two tier NATO now already. <BR/>And that’s because NATO is not being asked to be a DEFENSE organization by the US these days but an attack orientated one. It is US policy that has created the problem in the first place. If they want a one tier NATO then Washington is going to have to go with what the majority in NATO want. And what they want is no more ‘preemptive’ strikes, thank you very much.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-37490313937130229562008-02-11T17:27:00.000+01:002008-02-11T17:27:00.000+01:00beakerkin said... “Nato is a dead end and I would ...beakerkin said... “Nato is a dead end and I would like <BR/>to see America disband it.”<BR/><BR/>Nato has been and continues to be the most successful collective defence agreement ever produced. It’s not perfect. The notion that democratic states form a collective defence alliance remains fundamentally sound.<BR/><BR/>It sounds like your advocating an almost isolationist policy of America first which really is no longer an option. The entire debate concerning globalization has started taking place after the fact, can any society un-couple it-self without consequence.<BR/><BR/>Notwithstanding the frustration of trying to a form consensus, withdrawing from a position of world leader to look more inwardly is not a viable solution for the US.<BR/><BR/>Many think tanks predicted the current situation; during the cold war we had a form of world order based on two super powers and the alignment of the rest in their respective orbit, which created a form of order. Today all bets are off and the variables are countless and unpredictable.<BR/><BR/>Peter said: “There is no evidence that the 'rogue states' - meaning Iran, or the now less fashionable bogeyman, North Korea,”<BR/><BR/>The anti-missile system is a prudent and a correct defensive measure.<BR/><BR/> Iran’s nuclear and rocket technology is just at the point were they could a have nuclear ballistic missile in the next few years. That coupled with their statements that Israel should be destroyed don’t speak well for their future intentions. The Russians have just officially raised concern over Iranian missile technology and its intended purpose. Is Russia’s anti- missile system around Moscow (the only operational system in the world) an irrational act?<BR/><BR/>North Korea has already demonstrated it has the rocket technology and stated it has nuclear weapons. Leaves little for the imagination. Are the Japanese irrational asking for American help with an anti-missile system?<BR/><BR/>Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal would fall into the hands of persons unknown if the current government were toppled in the worst-case scenario the fundamentalist. Are the Indians being irrational looking to the US for cooperation in building their own anti-missile system?<BR/><BR/><BR/>This is about defence in a messy and unpredictable worldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-19169500606440458482008-02-11T17:02:00.000+01:002008-02-11T17:02:00.000+01:00Your suggestion that the US would launch a first s...<I>Your suggestion that the US would launch a first strike against Russia……..to what benefit?</I><BR/><BR/>You have to account some possible scenarios, such as an accidental launch and a madman with a control over the button. The latter seems to be more of concern lately, seeing the sharply declining quality of U.S. leaders over the last two decades. <BR/><BR/>Not to mention that the installation would be a likely target if some Russian weapons broke loose. <BR/><BR/><I>For the foreseeable future Nato is all you have.</I><BR/><BR/>This is NOT a NATO installation. This would be an exterritorial U.S. installation, under U.S. command. This is my whole point: this is an unilateral action by the U.S. In fact, this very installation is the best illustration of the fracture in NATO. Its very nature demands one NATO member (Poland) to sacrifice its security for that of another one (U.S.). <BR/><BR/><I>This system is meant to deal with a relatively low tech ballistic missiles launched in very small number coming from a rogue state.</I><BR/><BR/>Because a rogue country would risk using a quite expensive and unreliable method of delivery in order to subject itself to a massive U.S. retaliation, which would turn it into one big lake. Yeah, right. The leader of this country would not only have to be a madman, but also a complete idiot. <BR/><BR/>This threat is completely theoretical. <BR/><BR/><I>If this system were employed against the Russians more Russian missiles will be lost to malfunction than to anything this system will do and the Russians know this.</I><BR/><BR/>We have already determined that it is superfluous against rogue states and useless against Russia. <BR/><BR/>What is its purpose, then?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-24346985704833858172008-02-11T16:40:00.000+01:002008-02-11T16:40:00.000+01:00Geez said: “Some lessons are not so easily learned...Geez said: “Some lessons are not so easily learned and sometimes even more difficult to apply even when you are being bitten on the nose by foreigners you fawn over.”<BR/><BR/>We live under no illusions when it comes to the west we remember Yalta, the assassination of General Sikorski and our western European neighbours assuming the role of professional apologists for the Soviet Union. The same people who excuse Russia’s behaviour today……..once a whore always a whore. We have a very limited hope or trust in America but some hope is better then none and at this time there exist nowhere else to turn, believe me it’ll be adios as fast as a viable alternative appears.<BR/><BR/>Geez said: “BTW, if you studied even a smidgeon of American history, you would think twice before you bring up using ropes and tree limbs if your want to impress anybody with your reason.”<BR/><BR/>I am aware of the American context but it has no relevance to the Polish situation. The genocide perpetrated on us by our neighbours and the Quisling government imposed on us with western collusion requires justice. Millions of our dead remain unanswered for; such a debt may only be paid for by blood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-48141820360632552682008-02-11T14:30:00.000+01:002008-02-11T14:30:00.000+01:00A country's national sovereignty is always comprom...A country's national sovereignty is always compromised when it accedes to the placement of foreign military bases on it's soil. Russian, German or American.<BR/><BR/>The only purpose of the base is to needlessly rattle the Russkies and to allow George Bush and the Poles to feel like they have some balls.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-4833530925599869342008-02-11T13:02:00.000+01:002008-02-11T13:02:00.000+01:00Maybe we can get back to the point of the post (an...Maybe we can get back to the point of the post (and avoid all the ropes, trees and other strange fruit).<BR/><BR/>The 'antimissile system is for rogue states'. <BR/><BR/>It is true that ten little rockets are not going to be any use against Russian fire power and are indeed not meant for that purpose. But what real purpose are they then? America is keen on the system but would not be threatened by these little rogue states' missiles. There is no evidence that the 'rogue states' - meaning Iran, or the now less fashionable bogeyman, North Korea, have a technology to fire a missile which would zip over Poland on its way to Washington DC. The whole thing is a complete fantasy. <BR/><BR/>So what are these things for and is it worth all the fuss?<BR/><BR/>Me, I think not.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04895428794669508579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-18234950277988126542008-02-11T13:01:00.000+01:002008-02-11T13:01:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04895428794669508579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-23111701906762618102008-02-11T12:08:00.000+01:002008-02-11T12:08:00.000+01:00Onto Oamp and the war for Oil idiocy.So what was t...<I>Onto Oamp and the war for Oil idiocy.</I><BR/><BR/>So what was the reason for the war?So?https://www.blogger.com/profile/08685766312994525903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-76282628361344289932008-02-11T11:24:00.000+01:002008-02-11T11:24:00.000+01:00Here we have the standard Commie obstructionism an...Here we have the standard Commie obstructionism and abuse of populism<BR/>for its own ends. This argument is quite similar to those made by the far left about the Pershing two deployments. Over time we did learn that many of the loudest voices were on Moscow's payroll.<BR/><BR/>Anti American populism is straight from the classic commie/far left hit list over the last 50 years. Janowak is 100% correct and comedically Geez talks about American history a subject he knows <BR/>nothing about.<BR/><BR/>Nato is a dead end and I would like <BR/>to see America disband it. It has served its duty and needs to be retired. The USA should just have a series of agreements with deserving <BR/>states. No doubt if Russia reverts to form the Polish people might have to suffer for another 60 years.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile Beatroot will just find another salon to sip his Jonestown <BR/>amoral kool aide. He might even approve of outside hegemony if the correct code words are said.<BR/><BR/>How many times have the Polish people been turned into vassals or colonized? It would seem that a military alliance with the USA would serve Poland's interest more than America's. <BR/><BR/>Now onto the idiocy of visas spoken by the local imbeciles.<BR/><BR/>Fact Immigration visas limit each countries number to 7% of the total. The country that get screwed <BR/>over the most is the Philipinnes, not Poland. India, China and Mexico <BR/>also get screwed because of the 7% number. <BR/><BR/>As stated earlier the countries on the visa waiver program are not determined by political calculations. Those countries are <BR/>determined by the rate of people who overstay their visas and do not return home. Nor is this solely a monetary issue as Israel is also not a visa waiver country. No doubt the usual mindless sorts will chalk this up to a cabal. However, the countries on the list are determined by numeric formulas. <BR/><BR/>Onto Oamp and the war for Oil idiocy. If his mindless version of anti logic is correct our target would be Chavez. The far left is full of this simplistic fare. Paranoid delusions are standard prerequisites for being on the left.beakerkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088967209404588378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-85580033381508958442008-02-11T00:08:00.000+01:002008-02-11T00:08:00.000+01:00"And further reading will make it clear to you tha..."And further reading will make it clear to you that it has a long history of being on the receiving end of predatory behaviour on the part of foreigners."<BR/><BR/>Some lessons are not so easily learned and sometimes even more difficult to apply even when you are being bitten on the nose by foreigners you fawn over.<BR/><BR/>BTW, if you studied even a smidgeon of American history, you would think twice before you bring up using ropes and tree limbs if your want to impress anybody with your reason.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-82442577540134068392008-02-10T23:06:00.000+01:002008-02-10T23:06:00.000+01:00geez said... "a parasitic fringe that makes no con...geez said... "a parasitic fringe that makes no contribution to the nation", "we have a win-win situation here a foreign parasite eliminated 12 members of a Polish parasitic group in turn causing his own demise…does it get better?" and ”These people take comfort in their idle and irrelevant existence; cutting those lives short will not negatively impact anything. Mol could consider this part of his defence."<BR/><BR/>As a supporter of the Warsaw salon you have yet to demonstrate one contribution this societal fringe has made to the existence of the nation or for that matter the quality of life of the masses.<BR/><BR/>geez said... “pure bloodline uncontaminated by the foreign pestilence that features so prominently in Polish history"<BR/><BR/>Any encyclopaedia will suggest to you that Poland has one Europe’s most homogenous populations. And further reading will make it clear to you that it has a long history of being on the receiving end of predatory behaviour on the part of foreigners.<BR/><BR/>geez said... "Real vetting involves sturdy lampposts, strong tree limbs and lots of rope."<BR/><BR/>Are you against bringing to justice those that were responsible for the communist tyranny in Poland and accompanying genocide?<BR/><BR/>One would find your fascist tendencies curious given that you are part of a society that grants it’s people the greatest freedom of expression coupled with the greatest economic liberty. Do you view yourself as a person not fully vested in the American dream and therefore choose to lash out with an ideological position at variance to the main stream?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-30388585823071998592008-02-10T21:24:00.000+01:002008-02-10T21:24:00.000+01:00Really????????????"a parasitic fringe that makes n...Really????????????<BR/><BR/>"a parasitic fringe that makes no contribution to the nation"<BR/><BR/>"pure bloodline uncontaminated by the foreign pestilence that features so prominently in Polish history"<BR/><BR/>"we have a win-win situation here a foreign parasite eliminated 12 members of a Polish parasitic group in turn causing his own demise…does it get better?"<BR/><BR/>"These people take comfort in their idle and irrelevant existence; cutting those lives short will not negatively impact anything. Mol could consider this part of his defence."<BR/><BR/>"Real vetting involves sturdy lampposts, strong tree limbs and lots of rope."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-51094408632360036172008-02-10T20:29:00.000+01:002008-02-10T20:29:00.000+01:00geez said…” Good thing, too, so few American soldi...geez said…” Good thing, too, so few American soldiers have STDs.<BR/><BR/>And please be kind and don't be racist towards the mulatto kids”<BR/>Yes US army medical services are excellent at keeping the STD situation under control.<BR/><BR/>As far as the “the mulatto kids” goes, have you ever noticed the naturally dark complexion of many people in the eastern part of Poland. <BR/><BR/>“racist” – we actually have a Black elected official!<BR/><BR/>“we shall over come” also resonates in PolandAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-84016169371293072262008-02-10T20:06:00.000+01:002008-02-10T20:06:00.000+01:00opamp said: “NATO is not eternal”For the foreseeab...opamp said: “NATO is not eternal”<BR/><BR/>For the foreseeable future Nato is all you have. I agree with that Europe (the EU) should take hold of their own foreign and defence policy however we are no closer to this than we were 25 years ago. I refer to some fine examples such as Bosnia where Europe could not cope with a low level regional conflict in either military or diplomatic terms and in the end needed American help. Having learned nothing they repeated the whole thing again with the first Kosovo crisis. Had not the Americans once again agreed to intervene the Serbian fascist regime encouraged by Russia would have perpetrated another genocide.<BR/><BR/>Let’s see if Europe can handle the second Kosovo crisis on it own?<BR/>De-coupling Europe from the Americans is Russia wet dream and not likely in this century. Unless Russia turned into a liberal democracy forget this notion. At present Russia is at odds with nearly all “European values”.<BR/><BR/>I will quote a Russian’s assessment of his government:<BR/>“an astounding 78 percent of the country's leadership has links to the KGB or FSB, according to estimates by Olga Kryshtanovskaya, a leading sociologist who tracks Kremlin politics and the security services. Twenty-six percent of the officials acknowledge their involvement, while the rest give themselves away "by the holes in their resumes," Kryshtanovskaya said.<BR/>In addition to filling government and company posts with intelligence officers, Putin has restored to the FSB much of the power and glory enjoyed by the KGB.”<BR/><BR/>There is no reason to be concerned with the worst-case scenario a conflict between Russia and the west as there is no benefit to anyone from this nor is there the possibility of an attainable victory by either side.<BR/><BR/>Opamp said: “For Poland, the only viable long-term option is a common EU defense force. And more military spending, because if something happens, all our allies will run away, as always”<BR/><BR/>Given your rather pathetic list of allies the Americans are usually the not first to run away, I say there just a bit better than nothing at all when it comes to allies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-86845769623948371782008-02-10T20:05:00.000+01:002008-02-10T20:05:00.000+01:00Good thing, too, so few American soldiers have STD...Good thing, too, so few American soldiers have STDs.<BR/><BR/>And please be kind and don't be racist towards the mulatto kids.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1668864534643929522008-02-10T19:31:00.000+01:002008-02-10T19:31:00.000+01:00geez said...” As many as your women can get pregna...geez said...” As many as your women can get pregnant by....”<BR/><BR/>This is not altogether a bad thing is some rural area genetic diversity is not what it should be; some new genetic material could help. Lets face it American men are not use to real women like our Polish ladies. Most Americans have just been exposed to homegrown stuff usually what passes here for a variation on a bull-dyke lesbian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com