tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post3818394944958606545..comments2024-03-20T10:19:56.838+01:00Comments on the beatroot: Population time bomb...tick...tock...tickbeatroothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-65745755199115364422022-07-20T19:42:34.414+02:002022-07-20T19:42:34.414+02:009a replica bags description g8a20j8r73 replica bag...9a replica bags <a href="https://www.dolabuy.ru/" rel="nofollow"><strong>description</strong></a> g8a20j8r73 replica bags from turkey replica bags turkey <a href="https://www.dolabuy.ru/handbags-c-157/" rel="nofollow"><strong>useful site</strong></a> n0o41f0r08 replica bags in pakistan click here to investigate o9f48r8r07 <a href="https://www.dolabuy.ru/" rel="nofollow"><strong>buy replica bags</strong></a> replica bags chicagophabeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09117972781438951680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-25014280900067241102022-05-17T00:48:12.074+02:002022-05-17T00:48:12.074+02:00replica bags delhi replica bags paypal accepted ...<a href="https://meaneec33948.blogspot.com/2022/05/a-digital-format-is-now-available-and.html" rel="nofollow">replica bags delhi</a> <a href="https://shedoosh96409.blogspot.com/2022/05/ive-been-avid-reader-since-my-teens-and.html" rel="nofollow">replica bags paypal accepted</a> <a href="https://shetaski96282.blogspot.com/2022/05/they-love-to-cook-new-exotic-dishes-and.html" rel="nofollow">replica bags 168 mall</a>gifuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16902644347616193241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-23046551443096649232007-03-22T16:57:00.000+01:002007-03-22T16:57:00.000+01:00not organic? ru sure ur not genetically modified?...not organic? ru sure ur not genetically modified?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-61754688676515620412007-03-22T09:37:00.000+01:002007-03-22T09:37:00.000+01:00Poland always has been people-scarce. And historic...Poland always has been people-scarce. And historically the way to deal with that has always been to import foreigners. Germans, Jews, Italians, Scots, Russians, Tatars, an Englishman here or there. It worked in the past. For us and for them.YouNotSneaky!https://www.blogger.com/profile/06378267534638281151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-28922771424068084672007-03-21T17:41:00.000+01:002007-03-21T17:41:00.000+01:00My goodness – here we have one. A self hating misa...My goodness – here we have one. A self hating misanthropic tree hugger. <BR/><BR/>Welcome to the beatroot. You would like me – not human, just an innocent root veg (though I am afraid I am not organic).beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-12543600266817482322007-03-21T13:49:00.000+01:002007-03-21T13:49:00.000+01:00"Attenborough, the BBC’s natural history guru, see..."Attenborough, the BBC’s natural history guru, seems to prefer the company of tigers and algae to his fellow human beings."<BR/><BR/>And frankly, who can blame him? What idealist wouldn't?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-20074026884162254052007-03-20T20:41:00.000+01:002007-03-20T20:41:00.000+01:00Phil: Perhaps you should pause to consider before ...Phil: <I>Perhaps you should pause to consider before you rush in to batter the hated "tree huggers."<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>For sure, it was a typo - my point was a clumsy attack on relativism - and I do not think you are a tree hugger (meaning someone who puts 'nature' first, humans a long way behind. It's a self hatred, really.)<BR/><BR/>But I still don;t think that government 'education' changes behaviour.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-75528506151120609582007-03-20T16:00:00.000+01:002007-03-20T16:00:00.000+01:00Thanks. I stand corrected.Thanks. I stand corrected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1778549181896953452007-03-20T14:06:00.000+01:002007-03-20T14:06:00.000+01:00Immigration won't be an answer; see, its not just ...Immigration won't be an answer; see, its not just the number of people, its the number of people of working age. To maintain the dependency ratio in Poland (meaning, the same number of workers compared to children and retirees) would require over a million total immigrants *every year* for 20 years or more. The nations of the developing world (like Niger) have fertility falling *faster* than Europe, so they will 'catch up' in the not-having-baby races very soon, now.<BR/><BR/>And Sweden did not get their fertility rate up to 'about two' with their programs; they increased fertility from 1.5 to 1.66, meaning that their billions of dollars of expenditures had enough of an effect that the population of Sweden will be halved in 55 years instead of 45 years.<BR/><BR/>And Sweden's TFR is trending down, again, too.Deep Thoughthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17438539845962372105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-10031397673705152182007-03-20T12:00:00.000+01:002007-03-20T12:00:00.000+01:00Beatwrite root:"No, Phillip, one of us is right an...Beatwrite root:<BR/><BR/>"No, Phillip, one of us is right and one of us is wrong. Or, we both either right or wrong."<BR/><BR/>I think there's a typo in there. For one thing, I admitted you might be right rather than I, not that both of us can be right. Read carefully. Perhaps you should pause to consider before you rush in to batter the hated "tree huggers."<BR/><BR/>My comment was only on the arguments that have been presented over the years - not on the merits of any of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-45149215717609698182007-03-20T08:23:00.000+01:002007-03-20T08:23:00.000+01:00Beatroot,i agree ofcourse that the freedom to sear...Beatroot,<BR/>i agree ofcourse that the freedom to search for work adn a better future is important and should be upheld. However, allowing this to happen is different to actually head-hunting for skilled professionals as the UK to name but one has done in Central/Eastern Europe and various African countries. Here they are using their economy to unfairly compete withj the local labour market.varushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00607642372495291037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-67544313209222572602007-03-19T23:18:00.000+01:002007-03-19T23:18:00.000+01:00A big reason the birth rate has fallen is that emp...A big reason the birth rate has fallen is that employers don't want to hire young women who will get pregnant (and young women with any education whatsoever and/or personal ambition are mostly putting off having children in favor of working). <BR/><BR/>Most of the government proposals don't address this of course and focus on trying to compell them to have children or offer shiny, useless trinkets...michael farrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10232229721381140090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-10309761171783169802007-03-19T20:04:00.000+01:002007-03-19T20:04:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-26280021154877326022007-03-19T20:02:00.000+01:002007-03-19T20:02:00.000+01:00Pleases, anonymouses…give yourself names…there are...Pleases, anonymouses…give yourself names…there are few anons here and it makes it very difficult to recognize the inteligent guys from the ‘Simon Mol is the devil’ types.<BR/><BR/>So. Anonymous who sad:<BR/><I>properly educating people about this type of thing and encouraging fewer children and a more open economic environment throughout the world.</I><BR/><BR/>And this is the guy that told me to ‘open my eyes’. Can you show me one society where demographic growth has slowed by ‘educating people’?<BR/><BR/>The world simply doesn’t work like that, mate. Poland’s population is not affected by ‘education’, there are sociological, historical and economic factors behind demographics and you will not understand anything by thinking ‘education’ changes family size. <BR/><BR/>Phillip: <BR/><I>My impression of the course of the population question is nearly the opposite to Beatroot's, though I'm not saying he's wrong and I'm right.</I><BR/><BR/>No, Phillip, one of us is right and one of us is wrong. Or, we both either right or wrong. <BR/><BR/>And you are missing the point. The problems in the west and the developing world are completely different. <BR/><BR/>My post was about how both conservative catholic nationalists and liberal greens are both deeply conservative and represent exhausted political ideologies.<BR/><BR/>Varus<BR/>I take your point about <BR/><I> The idea of replacing the gap in society with immigrants has the added problem of its affect on the donor country.</I><BR/><BR/>Just look at Poland! But the freedom to move around the world seeking a better life is an important political one and should be supported. <BR/><BR/>Harry<BR/><I> Perhaps you could be so kind as to explain how a planet of finite size can continue to support infinite population growth?</I><BR/><BR/>You are slipping into Malthus. The point about humans is that we can invent, and develop the way we get resources from the planet. In Mathus’s day he could not have invisaged modern techniques of agriculture, or modern sways of generating power, like nuclear power, for instance. <BR/><BR/>More inniovations will come and we will keep getting better at getting more out of less.<BR/><BR/>That’s the history of power generation, for example. Burning wood gets a fraction of the energy out of that wood. Coal gets more. Oil get more. But still a fraction of what is in their. Even nuclear power only gets about 5% of all the energy that is in plutonium. <BR/><BR/>The earth is not a ‘closed system’ (look it up).<BR/><BR/>Jan. I think, for the first time ever, we are in complete agreement about something.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Although you seem to be having an argument with yourself about this, so I will leave you to it…<BR/><BR/>Opamp<BR/>Cheers. It’s actually a post that catholics might appreciate AND progressives (excluding modern day liberals).<BR/><BR/>But immigration per se is not the cause of the Parisian experience. …it’s how the host country reacts to immigration that counts. <BR/><BR/>Pete – what are you talking about? China has a massive population and that means it has a potentially MASSIVE MARKET.<BR/><BR/>I think you don’t know what you talking about, Pete.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-38737391599455983452007-03-19T19:46:00.000+01:002007-03-19T19:46:00.000+01:00Anon: Please crawl back under the rock from under...Anon: Please crawl back under the rock from under which you crawled out.<BR/><BR/>Nobody takes anything you write seriously.<BR/><BR/>At best, my sense is that most folks here, left, right and inbetwixt, are incredulous that you can even write.<BR/><BR/>If your purpose has been to prove that you can be as annoying as fingernails on a chalkboard, you've succeeded. <BR/><BR/>So you've won. Now please go away and defecate somewhere else.<BR/><BR/>I'm going to ignore you from now on. I consider what you post to be graffiti. An annoyance with which we unfortunately have to live, just like dog shit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-87284101775230360902007-03-19T19:37:00.000+01:002007-03-19T19:37:00.000+01:00I was not posting in terms of personal choice (wha...I was not posting in terms of personal choice (whatever that is) vs. greed. My suggestion was that the uneven global distribution of wealth is even more threatening in the here and now than any purported future population time bomb. I agree with BR (egads!) that healthy economies create situations whereby population growth is properly managed by individual choice. <BR/><BR/>I'm not so sure what kind of democracy to which Churchill was committed. I'll defer that debate to Mad Dogs, Englishmen, and other sundry opinionated folk.<BR/><BR/>If you want to attempt to persuade me that Daniel Ortega is any less committed to God and democracy than Winston Churchill, though, please have at it. I'd like to believe he's seen the light. Good for him on calling upon the US to support the contras financially today as it seems many have somehow not managed to reap the benefits the recent years of capitalist regulations; in fact, many have fallen into dire poverty. And he's lost his "darling" status with lefties and choice conservatives with his stand on abortion. If only Dennis Kucinich could have stuck to his guns. Oh well, his new wife is a babe!!! From jolly Olde England, too!!!<BR/><BR/>Your suggestion, Jan, that "The present form of capitalism is highly restrained by society and regulated in every aspect of business activities" may well be echoed countless times by CEOs and petty bourgeois businessmen alike, but I am indeed all for more democratic regulation. Sorry, but I guess I'm talking gubmint here. Y'see, istm that the regulations for the most part are put into place by the foxes in charge of the hen houses. It's their version of democracy. It serves them well. But it doesn't serve folks who get sent to fight stupid wars and it doesn't serve masses of people who remain illiterate. I just read today that 1/3 of the resident's of Washington, D.C. are illiterate. Something's mighty screwed up there and sorry, I'm not going to unilaterally blame the individual or group of victims here, although there is certainly an element of individual choice. But I'd still say in the refrain of the old tune, that largely "There but for fortune go you or I."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-16919461072408964192007-03-19T19:36:00.000+01:002007-03-19T19:36:00.000+01:00Immigration, you mean of the Simon Mole type?Immigration, you mean of the Simon Mole type?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-10889152422275844682007-03-19T19:35:00.000+01:002007-03-19T19:35:00.000+01:00Beat, look at China and then tell me that over pop...Beat, look at China and then tell me that over population is not a problem. You're obviously a bit ingnorant about that part of the world.<BR/>PeteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-73657579895272672862007-03-19T19:28:00.000+01:002007-03-19T19:28:00.000+01:00@jannovak57:Economic reforms combined with an effe...@jannovak57:<BR/><BR/><I>Economic reforms combined with an effective daycare system would likely yield the best results, a modest increase in birthrate.</I><BR/><BR/>Sweden <I>did</I> manage to achieve about 2 children per woman this way, so this model is certainly workable. <BR/><BR/>Of course, if our Christian politishuns <I>really</I> cared about the women having children they would fix the economical mess in this country. But they will not, because bitching about abortion is much more spectacular (and guarantees immediate and unconditional Church support). Their credo has been stated by one of them (Goryszewski) in early 1990s: "It is not important if the Poland would be rich. It is not important if it would be democratic. It is important that it would be Catholic." <BR/><BR/>@BR:<BR/><BR/><I>As for those who fear immigration: well, I think it’s pretty obvious how immigration is beneficial to host countrie...</I><BR/><BR/>There is no general rule. Silicon Valley vs. Clichy-sous-Bois, eh? It has more to do with whether the host country is capable of assimilating the immigrants (Western European countries seem to be generally incapable in this regard, leading to the creation of closed immigrant communities). <BR/><BR/>Besides, immigration in case of Poland is a non-solution: it is being pushed by business associations as a way to keep the wages down. These people have lobbies hard to give the Romanians and Bulgarians full access to Polish work market, hoping for an influx a cheap labor. You know how many Romanians came to Poland? NONE. <BR/><BR/>Now if someone figured out a way to bring some Polish emigrants from abroad, that would do some good...<BR/><BR/>As for these predictions for 2050, I'd take them with a grain of salt. It is not really probable that the current trends will continue for that long, since we are facing a new world war over diminishing natural resources much sooner. <BR/><BR/>By the way, excellent post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-90559411244219553862007-03-19T18:19:00.000+01:002007-03-19T18:19:00.000+01:00The main point of the Guardian article was that po...The main point of the Guardian article was that politicians were not listening to brave souls like Atenborough et al. about population growth, so how can we tackle global warming. <BR/><BR/>But all the recent reports about global warming DO take into account population growth. <BR/><BR/>So she is barking up the wring tree hugger there. <BR/><BR/>Of course, as nations develop demographic growth slows down. This is because developed societies have better health care, so people live longer, and having children is not seen as a way to increase a family’s income – which it is in many Third World countries. <BR/><BR/>The danger that tree huggers pose to these countries is that they <I>want to slow down those countries’ economic growth…</I>.<BR/><BR/>Wealth creation is the key to a slow down in population growth. And its wealth creation that the greenies so hate.<BR/><BR/>As to the Malthusian assumptions in that article: improving technologies have shown this to be nonsense. <BR/><BR/>Look at agriculture. We have got better and better at growing more on less land. Land is then freed up for other use. Like housing, etc. <BR/><BR/>This process would be greatly helped by more use of GM crops. <BR/><BR/>But of course, GM crops are yet another thing the screaming greenies hate.<BR/><BR/>So everything that will help us adapt to population growth, economic development, wealth creation, development of technologies is just what the tree huggers want us to stop.<BR/><BR/>As for those who fear immigration: well, I think it’s pretty obvious how immigration is beneficial to host countries…beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-60477638408794488072007-03-19T17:05:00.000+01:002007-03-19T17:05:00.000+01:00With respect to “rutting” greed versus personal ch...With respect to “rutting” greed versus personal choice, when does personal choice become greed? There is a school of thought that believes not producing offspring in an already crowded world is socially responsible.<BR/><BR/>Churchill was not Poland’s most reliable ally but his commitment to democracy was real if not somewhat dated.<BR/><BR/>Daniel Ortega still doesn’t look convincing in his new suit, his trying to convince people he’s found god and social democracy, concepts he wouldn’t recognize if he tripped over them.<BR/><BR/>I don’t really understand your problem with capitalism as practiced in developed western societies. Over the last century there’s been an evolution from the days of the “robber barons” to the present. The present form of capitalism s highly restrained by society and regulated in every aspect of business activities.<BR/>I would be curious as to what aspects of western capitalism you feel need further restraint or additional regulation.<BR/><BR/>I will agree that in Russia and China it’s a different ball game almost resembling the days of the “robber barons” when it comes to workers rights and work conditions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-13653719266993479182007-03-19T16:25:00.000+01:002007-03-19T16:25:00.000+01:00Now you're quoting the guy as an authority after y...Now you're quoting the guy as an authority after you battered him for selling out Poland? Well, *more* democracy might help curb or at least offset the excesses of capitalism. But certainly not western democracy in it's present form.<BR/><BR/>^*^*^*^*^*^*^*<BR/><BR/>"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others that have been tried."<BR/><BR/>Winston ChurchillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-79668348134919462782007-03-19T16:24:00.000+01:002007-03-19T16:24:00.000+01:00Do you think the Catholic Church has come to the c...Do you think the Catholic Church has come to the conclusion that some of the flock are using birth control? <BR/><BR/>There are obvious and immediate solutions (which is not likely to get governmental support anytime soon). Encourage immigration from the African country of Niger, which should get a prize for breeding. 1000 people in Niger produce a greater number of offspring that 5000 plus Poles do. <BR/><BR/>Is there a crisis in Poland that’s significantly different than is being faced by any of the industrial societies of the west? Not really.<BR/><BR/>The Catholic-nationalists and 'liberal' environmentalists should buy a textbook on economic policy, as to some extend birth rate is based on the economy. But also birthrate is based on societal and individual attitudes. <BR/><BR/>When asked most couples declare a desire for two children but in reality more often it ends up as one. There’s shift in Polish society with respect to the family, which prioritizes individual self-fulfilment over “duty” to create the family. In some measure we are more materialistic then previous generations. <BR/><BR/>So why the low birthrate?<BR/><BR/>-no economic need to produce children<BR/>-limiting children to increase the family’s general standard of living<BR/>-uncertainty about the economic future<BR/>-a more educated population inclined to control their reproduction options<BR/>-a desire for career fulfillment<BR/>-increase the options for travel<BR/>-more free personal time<BR/><BR/>Throwing money at people to breed is unlikely to get the desired result except for creating a minor baby boom amongst the least educated and most backward portion of society. Economic reforms combined with an effective daycare system would likely yield the best results, a modest increase in birthrate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-15593420957670930332007-03-19T16:19:00.000+01:002007-03-19T16:19:00.000+01:00Maybe greed is more of a problem than "rutting."BT...Maybe greed is more of a problem than "rutting."<BR/><BR/>BTW, I'm writing in Daniel Ortega for US President!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-37602870337854716062007-03-19T16:15:00.000+01:002007-03-19T16:15:00.000+01:00geez said: "Maybe the combination of democracy and...geez said: "Maybe the combination of democracy and capitalism is not exactly all it's cracked up to be"<BR/><BR/><BR/>"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others that have been tried."<BR/><BR/>Winston ChurchillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com