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But now we have basically: a classic European centre-right christian-democratic party (tusk's gang), a post-communist left, a conservative-statist Law and Justice and the odd wildcard, like Palikot...oh, and the always-present PSL in coalition. Basically, four parties. <br /><br />I think anonymous comment from above is from someone who has been brought up in a stable democracy where the same parties have existed for decades, centuries. In Poland, party politics is still a new game that has just settled down.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-37545985291232936732011-11-07T18:48:16.778+01:002011-11-07T18:48:16.778+01:00you gotta love Polish politics. They really love ...you gotta love Polish politics. They really love to squabble - always a conspiracy - and end up with these crazy little parties - Law and Justice, Self Defence, Palikot etc.. Meanwhile the party in power all smiles and nice colourful posters sits on its hands and does hee haw - no restructuring of civil service, health service is a shame on an EU member, roads are worst in Europe, educated people emigrate, church meddles in all forms of public life literally from cradle to grave. What option after PO then that must be PiS - Law and order - run by an unmarried guy whose closest friend is his cat and who has never had a bank account.<br /><br />What I find strange is that characters like Ziobro would not make it my company beyond the security guard on the door. There are Poles with far higher ideals, morals, ideas and drive than anything we see in the political class. Sooner this lot get off their backsides and do something the better. until then Poland will remain stuck as the sick man of europeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-24737691044368818562011-11-04T15:39:11.004+01:002011-11-04T15:39:11.004+01:00Ziobro, if anything is an even more hardliner than...Ziobro, if anything is an even more hardliner than Kaczynski. But Ziobro has auggested that by spltting into smaller elements each new bit of PiS can nurture and electorate so they can be a coalition within parliament. That means that PiS and the other bits of PiS are essentially chasing the same electorate...which to me seems senseless. And ineffective as an opposition to Tusk.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-16905783165104949732011-11-01T18:01:04.945+01:002011-11-01T18:01:04.945+01:00And they lash/ed out at Tusk, et. al. in Civic Pla...And they lash/ed out at Tusk, et. al. in Civic Platform? What was/were their big issue/s? Attack dogs for Kaczynski(s)or in some manner independently? Like I said, I haven't been keeping up given especially that PiS seems to have been permanently put out to pasture. If the two renegades form their own splinter party now, who/what will be their main target? Aside from Kaczynski?S. Omebodynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-15914879769527923842011-10-31T11:46:49.008+01:002011-10-31T11:46:49.008+01:00Geez...Kurski used to be very prominent on the med...Geez...Kurski used to be very prominent on the media in Poland when he was an MP and not what he is now...a member of the European Parliament. In Poland, MEPs have a status in politics that they do not have in somewhere like the UK, where MEPs are politicians which are shunted off the Brussels after their main career in the house of commons has finished. They are put out to grass. <br /><br />So Kurski used to be a viscious PiS attack god and big star, like Ziobro.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-35628053377321997832011-10-30T12:23:37.601+01:002011-10-30T12:23:37.601+01:00Perhaps he's a softie at heart but Ziobro alwa...Perhaps he's a softie at heart but Ziobro always strikes me as resembling one of the proverbial men in white coats. But not your nice, teddy bear type doc. More the guy from a straight to vid 80s horror film who administers lethal injections. I think it's the glasses that do it, and the intensely furrowed brow of course. Of course, he may well be a teddy bear though..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-74605878456755760762011-10-30T08:18:26.884+01:002011-10-30T08:18:26.884+01:00love the pic - very billy bunter :)love the pic - very billy bunter :)rolnik_jaśnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-43566823167510072382011-10-29T03:03:09.306+02:002011-10-29T03:03:09.306+02:00I meant K-aczyn-ski. Kurski ain't at the helm...I meant K-aczyn-ski. Kurski ain't at the helm. What makes the latter such a "firebrand'? I haven't really kept up with Polish politix since your exit so I don't know anything about him.last ge'eznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-56147794633849003582011-10-29T00:36:27.954+02:002011-10-29T00:36:27.954+02:00Yeah, I don't think '<&gt' is g...Yeah, I don't think '<&gt' is going to catch on as a tag name on the internet webby thing. <br /><br />Geez...bruvver...me old geezer mate from the Colonies...I don't think you can single out Kurski for all this. Ziobro and Kurski were the two best populist politicians in PiS after the Kaczynskis a few years ago. They press the right buttons for the PiS hard core. This is a war for the soul of PiS.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-7031617589129229782011-10-28T23:26:41.995+02:002011-10-28T23:26:41.995+02:00Fuckin' heh. I hate computers.Fuckin' heh. 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