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My thesis was called: ‘A critique of Foucault’s critique of Fraud’s Repressive Hypothesis’. <BR/><BR/>I wake up at night screaming with embarrassment at how up its own arse it was, even now.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160580902439254002006-10-11T17:35:00.000+02:002006-10-11T17:35:00.000+02:00While they both critique modernity, my guess is th...While they both critique modernity, my guess is that Foucault does it within some kinda framework very different from Illich's perspective which is predicated upon pre-modern, maybe even ageless, premises.<BR/><BR/>Interesting introduction to a brand new book in that Illich Foucault google search, though: <BR/><BR/>Balm for Gilead<BR/>Meditations on Spirituality and the Healing Arts<BR/>Daniel P. Sulmasy, O.F.M., M.D.<BR/><BR/>http://press.georgetown.edu/pdfs/1589010957_Intro.pdf#search=%22illich%20foucault%22<BR/><BR/>Ah, but you, BR, no doubt think that religion and perhaps spirituality as well is tantamount to magic.... <BR/><BR/>Say, are you the chap in that Citizens Platform demo photo you posted who looks a bit like Harry Potter? Sorry, couldn't resist...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160573878335221952006-10-11T15:37:00.000+02:002006-10-11T15:37:00.000+02:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160573245371878472006-10-11T15:27:00.000+02:002006-10-11T15:27:00.000+02:00Foucault and Illich? Well, I am not the only one w...Foucault and Illich? Well, I am not the only one who has connected the two...<BR/><BR/>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=foucault+illichbeatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160563928615264982006-10-11T12:52:00.000+02:002006-10-11T12:52:00.000+02:00RD lAing. Yes, I've known people who recrawled ou...RD lAing. Yes, I've known people who recrawled out of their mothers' wombs, mostly who should have stayed put. More whacked. and scarey, still were the primal public screamers.<BR/><BR/>But the intersection with Illich seems tenuous to me. Same vis-a-vis Foucault. I've never seen any Illich commentary on Foucault or vice-versa. Maybe it's out there. I just haven't seen it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160547115764721702006-10-11T08:11:00.000+02:002006-10-11T08:11:00.000+02:00I meant RD Lang…check him out herehttp://en.wikipe...I meant RD Lang…check him out here<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.D._Laing<BR/><BR/>I love it when these little ‘anonymous’ morons come along and abuse people…Anonymous - try and be constructive. Maybe try and formulate a political argument! Add to the debate! Or go away and play with your rubber bricks…<BR/><BR/>Both Faucault and Illich thought that modern day science, medicine and other professions like law control us. Check out Foucault’s Madness and Civilization. Science is not something that liberates us but imprisons us…etc blah…So you can see the link between Illich and the post moderns, for whom science is just another type like …magic.<BR/><BR/>I am an atheist but at religious people believe that there is ONE truth and that that truth exists outside of themselves. The typical is all about me me me…that’s why, as educators, we have to present everything to people as being ‘accessible’ ‘relevant’ ‘inclusive’ and all those other words that make me baff…beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160526248545530282006-10-11T02:24:00.000+02:002006-10-11T02:24:00.000+02:00BTW, it should be obvious that I am very disappoin...BTW, it should be obvious that I am very disappointed in much of the left, both the far left and the wishy-washy opportunistic left exemplified by the Blairs and Clintons of the world. For the most part, I think the religious left is all that left of the left, at least insofar as the left has any remaining value. Journalistically and Roman Catholically (how's that for a new word?) speaking, that means The Tablet in the UK and Commonweal in the US. <BR/><BR/>And this *there is nothing* stuff sounds like some kind of embryonic post-modernistic nihilism. Is *nie ma nadzieja* next? Please say it hasn't gotten that far!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160525324683644542006-10-11T02:08:00.000+02:002006-10-11T02:08:00.000+02:00JD Lang (?) doesn't ring a bell with me.I'm not at...JD Lang (?) doesn't ring a bell with me.<BR/><BR/>I'm not at all clear on the connection between Illich and the Foucault folk.<BR/><BR/>Illich was more a modern day medievalist, methinks, and he was a priest for quite awhile. Also istm you are caricaturing his premises. That's not to say I don't think his ideas to be extreme, even though I think there's a lot of value and validity to his work as well.<BR/><BR/>Knowledge based on science alone? Science can only inform us of so much. Very little actually, I'd say. So if authority is to be based on knowledge derived solely from science, that steers pretty far away from any kind of religion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160515926905856052006-10-10T23:32:00.000+02:002006-10-10T23:32:00.000+02:00"JD Lang (?) thing in the sixties, seventies"????I..."JD Lang (?) thing in the sixties, seventies"????<BR/>I was trying to decide if you were dumb or dumber.<BR/>I've decded, you're dumbest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160512083970308682006-10-10T22:28:00.000+02:002006-10-10T22:28:00.000+02:00By the way, I know Ivan Illich…de-schooling societ...By the way, I know Ivan Illich…de-schooling society..doctors are bad for your health...etc…? I would disagree. He was part of that JD Lang (?) thing in the sixties, seventies…kind of anarchism (they all ended up with the Foucaultians…who didn’t on the left?) Furedi would say that you do need an established body of knowledge based on science, but not a plurality of ‘knowledges’. Authority is good, if it is the right authority. You are a religious person, I would have thought you agree with that.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160511623869951872006-10-10T22:20:00.000+02:002006-10-10T22:20:00.000+02:00social change in terms of redistribution of wealth...<I> social change in terms of redistribution of wealth and power is still at the top of most lefties' sensibilities, at least I hope so.</I><BR/><BR/> Then I think you must be disappointed in the left that is around today. Redistribution of wealth? That’s old hat, geezer. Look at New Labour in Britain. Social mobility has actually got worse under them. The gap between rich and poor has widened. No social democratic party in Europe is arguing for ‘welfare capitalism’ anymore. That ‘New Deal’ ‘Welfare State’ thing is dead. <BR/><BR/>Socialism used to have a base in the labour movement and its institutions. They have now gone. We don’t have class politics anymore, we have ‘identity politics’. And there lies a bed of nails. <BR/><BR/>I will give you an example of de-politicization. The monarchy used to be a very important institution in Britain. No more. People think they are a joke. So, with the decline of monarchy you would think there would be a rise in republicanism….but not. There is no real republican movement in UK. There is just…nothing.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160485375709434192006-10-10T15:02:00.000+02:002006-10-10T15:02:00.000+02:00Well, BR, this finally gives me an idea of where y...Well, BR, this finally gives me an idea of where you are coming from...<BR/><BR/>I will make a point of trying to read the Politics of Fear book. It does look interesting.<BR/><BR/>From the article, my sense is that he exagerates to create a seemingly new analyis. I really don't think the left, whatever that is, fears societal change. Certain kinds of technological change, some lefties oppose and some don't. But social change in terms of redistribution of wealth and power is still at the top of most lefties' sensibilities, at least I hope so. <BR/><BR/>Also, I'm at a loss of the direction Furedi wants to go in that sense. I sense too much of a hope in technology as savior in his analysis. But I spoze I'm "pop"-ifying him based only on my reading of the one article and without reading any other criticism of his work.<BR/><BR/>You might want to look at some Ivan Illich as a countervalence of sorts to what, my guess is, Furedi is getting at.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160459344770300632006-10-10T07:49:00.000+02:002006-10-10T07:49:00.000+02:00Maybe something by Frank Furedi – British/Hungaria...Maybe something by Frank Furedi – British/Hungarian sociologist <BR/><BR/>http://www.frankfuredi.com/articles/politicsfearbristow-20050915.shtmlbeatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160438754242369282006-10-10T02:05:00.000+02:002006-10-10T02:05:00.000+02:00So datz Beatrootism, heh?You getting this stuff fr...So datz Beatrootism, heh?<BR/><BR/>You getting this stuff from a book or books? One or two citations, please. Seriously.<BR/><BR/>Dzieks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160428564189130532006-10-09T23:16:00.000+02:002006-10-09T23:16:00.000+02:00I don’t think you can compare what I am saying wit...I don’t think you can compare what I am saying with ‘convergence’ or ‘end of ideology’…that was in deep Cold War 1950s. This is post-cold war when there is really no alternative to liberal capitalism. Just look at the left. It’s turned into a conservative, quite authoritarian, fearful of social progress amorphous thing, and you have conservatives that can’t defend the family, church (even Bush and Blair think that kids should be ‘exposed to many different faiths. Blah..…) even idea of ‘the nation’ anymore…. <BR/><BR/>Conservatives have won the economic war, the cultural left won the culture war, and the centre has won the political war. <BR/><BR/>All the political categories have collapsed. May western politics rest in peace.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160428482383333812006-10-09T23:14:00.000+02:002006-10-09T23:14:00.000+02:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160354913879531532006-10-09T02:48:00.000+02:002006-10-09T02:48:00.000+02:00BR, are you echoing the old tired arguments dating...BR, are you echoing the old tired arguments dating back to the 1950s about "the end of ideology"? (Daniel Bell et. al.)<BR/><BR/>Both Goodman and Bush practice a politics of fear and feed from the same trough??? I'd say Goodman and most folks challenging Bush have good reason to be fearful. And certainly, Amy Goodman is not enriching herself. <BR/><BR/>So who / what is properly *ideological*?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160297908633062152006-10-08T10:58:00.000+02:002006-10-08T10:58:00.000+02:00And Ignacy - I am a similar age to you and we are ...And Ignacy - I am a similar age to you and we are not 'getting old' we are just 'well-seasoned'...beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160297806537573482006-10-08T10:56:00.000+02:002006-10-08T10:56:00.000+02:00Actually my answer to that would similar to the on...Actually my answer to that would similar to the one I have given to ‘sex pistol’ in the post about the protests at the weekend,<BR/><BR/>Being for or against the war in Iraq is not an ideological difference as the criticisms by Goodman and co are not ideological – they concentrate on how politicians ‘lie’ all the time (hardly a revelation’. I notice too that there is nothing on the democracy now site that says that they are against capitalism (something that is impossible now with the collapse of politics as we used to now it).. <BR/><BR/>Basically, Goodman and Bush exist in the same ideological universe - they both play the politics of fear in their different ways and are feeding from the same trough.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160228169706025462006-10-07T15:36:00.000+02:002006-10-07T15:36:00.000+02:00No ideological division between Amy Goodman at Dem...No ideological division between Amy Goodman at Democracy Now and the Bushitas? Foreign policy very similar? I must really be getting old coz now I'm delusional.<BR/><BR/>Please watch one news broadcast or whatever at www.democracynow.org<BR/><BR/>Or even just Amy's recent appearance on the Colbert Report. It's hyperlinked on the democracynow.org website.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160217756242846012006-10-07T12:42:00.000+02:002006-10-07T12:42:00.000+02:00I am not saying that the situation here is all tha...I am not saying that the situation here is all that healthy, it’s something Poles just hale to go through. And there are two big divisions about the way Poland should look, post 1989. We have one based on ‘solidarnosc’ – this, in the absence of real ideological alternatives, tends to be inward looking, nationalistic, conservative, with the church/nation forming the bonds. On other hand we have one based on individualism, market orientated…these people want Poland to be a bit like the UK really. <BR/><BR/>At root this is class and regional, urban/rural, eastern Poland/western Poland politics. But there are two very distinct ‘models’ that they are mutually exclusive. <BR/><BR/>The US: you mention democracynow etc but how they fundamentally different from Bush and mainstream democrats? I don’t see fundamental ideological division there. It’s more about those damn ‘identity politics’. <BR/><BR/>Both except the market as the only way to run an economy, there has been a collapse of left/right...foreign policy very similar....<BR/><BR/>In short, no poloitics. The world has changed in the last 20 years.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160177387054114212006-10-07T01:29:00.000+02:002006-10-07T01:29:00.000+02:00Nawhl lissin heuh ya yung whippersnapper. . . I th...Nawhl lissin heuh ya yung whippersnapper. . . <BR/><BR/>I think there are a lot of nooks and crannies in the US where politix is alive and growing. The religious left, in my mind, has always been a vital force. And istm that things were actually picking up right before 9/11 with Seattle and the all the a.16 and such demos. democracynow.org is a tremendously bolstering sign of life. And now for the first time since Edgar R. Murrow in the 1950s, we have Keith Olberman kicking Bush's butt on MSNBC. Tie that in with the popularity of the Daily Show and the Colbert Report. I'm actually more optimistic than I have been in years.<BR/><BR/>Look, if the Dems get control of congress, there will be all sorts of forces unleashed that have laid around dormant for too many years. There will be a chance for change which is a whole lot better than no chance under the current scheme of things. Folks will be emboldened and start asking questions again and demanding real answers. Even with Hillary, who I despise on so many levels, at least there will be a chance for national health care. Anything is better than Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld, et. al. I think folks like Alexander Cockburn who are content with Bush coz he's a dummy who will prompt the fall of the American Empire are delusional arrogant nasty fools. And let the f--er go live in Cuba and eat minnows to his heart's content if he loves Fidel so much.<BR/><BR/>Finally, what is so alive and novel and promising about politics in Poland or the rest of Eastern Europe? We'll see what happens at the demos tomorrow. My guess is it will be small groups of hacks and boors yelling at each other. I hope not. What kind of choice is there between Civic Platform and Law and Justice? Where are the alternatives? Where's the life? Istm things are only going downhill over there. I see no reason for optimism - Cheese and Crackers, Giertych, the friggin Education Minister, is calling for a boycott of BBC? WTF?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13112593.post-1160153990602879492006-10-06T18:59:00.000+02:002006-10-06T18:59:00.000+02:00Ignacy - can ya give us examples of politix bein a...Ignacy - can ya give us examples of politix bein alive an well an kickin in the US? Me no see it man, all I see is dem dudes takin about who is the better manager. That ain't politixs, geezer, THAT'S bullshit.beatroothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11242716221133886807noreply@blogger.com